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    Default Re: TA Aluminum Intake OR ALuminum Heads(this is for real)

    my best guess on ball park pricing would be
    $2795.00. fully assembled and 1500 bare casting as the rover project was the most recent product they took on that relates to this topic

    im sure it'll take a year min to get these out the door possibly 2
    so more then enough time to save up 3k
    or at least 1500 and put the remainder on CC lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingface5384 View Post
    my best guess on ball park pricing would be
    $2795.00. fully assembled and 1500 bare casting as the rover project was the most recent product they took on that relates to this topic

    im sure it'll take a year min to get these out the door possibly 2
    so more then enough time to save up 3k
    or at least 1500 and put the remainder on CC lol
    I agree they could be in that price range, the Buick / Rover motor has been built for over 40 years and I believe it was just dropped for a new design motor. I don't care so much about price because if they cost too much only a few will buy them. As far as time. They could be ready to bolt on in a few months. Its all about time and money. We will have a good adea just how much a new head will flow in a few weeks. If not for several 455 projects we would know by now. Sorry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken betts View Post
    I agree they could be in that price range, the Buick / Rover motor has been built for over 40 years and I believe it was just dropped for a new design motor. I don't care so much about price because if they cost too much only a few will buy them. As far as time. They could be ready to bolt on in a few months. Its all about time and money. We will have a good adea just how much a new head will flow in a few weeks. If not for several 455 projects we would know by now. Sorry!
    im not worried about price if its made i'll buy it
    and good deal few months sounds badd ass
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    Happy New Year all.
    I have not read every single post here but have read most. In my opinion I feel the single plane intake should be the first project. This would generate sales to help support the cylinder head. Sherri on the other hand is on most of your sides, she votes heads. And if you know Sherri its a surprise to get any vote when it comes to new projects. Enough of you must have expressed interest to her & Tim over the years. The direction I'm thinking of taking should excite most. All details have not been worked out just yet but are in process, cost, design, time line etc. If things go the way I would like, I'm going to try and get both in the works. To answer just a few questions in regards to design. As fare as rockers, I like the Buick design so I may build the head to support a bolt down rocker tower bar which would allow the use of stock Buick rockers and TA roller rockers. Remove the bar and you could install studs, guide plates and Chevy rockers. Intake leaning toward air gap SP-1 style.
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    :tu::tu:

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    Haha I had a feeling both would be in the works from your stand on intake and Ken about the heads

    oh happy day ...Oh happy day

    P's like that you said air gap..and the modular idea for ta rockers or chevy stud plate is genius idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingface5384 View Post

    P's like that you said air gap..and the modular idea for ta rockers or chevy stud plate is genius idea
    It will add to design time and cost. I'm already into a build and might not help me any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alec296 View Post
    It will add to design time and cost. I'm already into a build and might not help me any.
    It will be alright because that is how the Rover heads are already,able to use TA shaft rockers and sbc stud mounted rockers with TA guide plates,so design shouldn't be that difficult because they already done it on the other heads.

    It would be really cool if they made the heads as a stage 2 design with sbc style ex flanges to be able to use sbc headers. With hundreds of styles of sbc headers available already it would make these heads adaptable to many cars right out of the box. The factory 350 Buick ex flanges are so close to a sbc already it would make these much easier to market? And make an adpater to run Buick headers that people already have.(just a thought,would be a lot easier because it would be very difficult for TA to make a header for all the body styles that are already available for small block chebbies,an make it easier to swap out that sbc for a sbb that the ex would already fit!)


    And a whole lot easier to put a turbo on with a sbc turbo kit.


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    Default Re: TA Aluminum Intake OR ALuminum Heads(this is for real)

    Quote Originally Posted by 300sbb_overkill View Post
    It will be alright because that is how the Rover heads are already,able to use TA shaft rockers and sbc stud mounted rockers with TA guide plates,so design shouldn't be that difficult because they already done it on the other heads.

    It would be really cool if they made the heads as a stage 2 design with sbc style ex flanges to be able to use sbc headers. With hundreds of styles of sbc headers available already it would make these heads adaptable to many cars right out of the box. The factory 350 Buick ex flanges are so close to a sbc already it would make these much easier to market? And make an adpater to run Buick headers that people already have.(just a thought,would be a lot easier because it would be very difficult for TA to make a header for all the body styles that are already available for small block chebbies,an make it easier to swap out that sbc for a sbb that the ex would already fit!)


    And a whole lot easier to put a turbo on with a sbc turbo kit.


    Derek
    Sounds cool, but wouldnt an adapter further push the headers out, and DS header is already tight fit!
    with that being said Im all for an idea if it makes a product more versatile and gives customers more options
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    Bobb Makley First well known to Stroke a 350
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothingface5384 View Post
    Sounds cool, but wouldnt an adapter further push the headers out, and DS header is already tight fit!
    with that being said Im all for an idea if it makes a product more versatile and gives customers more options
    If it is a stage 2 type of head the ex flange would be cut back farther,and an adapter to run regular Buick header would push the flange closer to the stock position.

    Derek
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    That's a really good idea Derek.

    Gary

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    Great news!

    When the heads come out then people can bolt on performance finally!

    With twin turbos the new heads will make some SERIOUS street friendly power!
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    downside to what everybody wants is that nhra buicks can't use them. lot of those out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsjohnny1 View Post
    downside to what everybody wants is that nhra buicks can't use them. lot of those out there.
    You are right and I bet that Mike builds the intake first regardless of how many people want the heads first. This will please the NHRA guys first and some of us will buy the intake also. This I am sure will help shore up the funding for the head project. I do think if this is a for sure thing that both pieces will come out within 1 year of each other.

    Right now about 59 want the heads first and more than likely about 1/2 will actually buy them at around roughly 3 grand apiece, that will be about 90 grand. That will probably just pay for setting up and producing the first 30 heads, maybe. I am just guessing I could be way off but you get the picture.

    Now if we get you Hot Rod Buick guys to buy 30 intakes...first...
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    Plus doing what Derek suggested and making the aluminum heads 'Stage2' heads with identical exhaust port bolt patterns as the SBC, the header problem is solved in one fell swoop...and everyone who buys a set of these heads, regardless of exhaust pattern design, are going to want to use headers. Why not make it easier on them and give them a huge selection right out of the box?

    Not to mention a more ideal I/E flow ratio right off the bat...for use with straight pattern camshaft designs.

    Very smart move if you ask me.

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    So we buy Chevy headers instead of buying TA headers. That's a win? for TA Performance. Does Chevy have 1 3/4 headers because that is what you are going to need for a Stage 2 head. My headers just barely fit now and they are not 1 1/2.
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    If the heads are made with 455 stage 2 like exhaust ports with chevy pattern I'm not so sure chevy headers will work. The angle of the port flanges would be different. I think the headers would be rotated outward like wings. Compare 455 stage 1 and 2 heads.
    At least a weld it yourself chevy header kit could be used.

    Again, I can make headers, I can't make heads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNDERDOG350 View Post
    If the heads are made with 455 stage 2 like exhaust ports with chevy pattern I'm not so sure chevy headers will work. The angle of the port flanges would be different. I think the headers would be rotated outward like wings. Compare 455 stage 1 and 2 heads.
    At least a weld it yourself chevy header kit could be used.

    Again, I can make headers, I can't make heads.
    Of coarse the ex flange would have to be designed for the sbc headers to work with the correct angle.

    This idea was just a thought to try and let TA be able to sell more heads because it would be easier to get headers for just about anything. And allow people that put a sbc in their Buick to swap back to a sbb very easily,and make it easy to put a sbb into a Olds,Pontiac,and Chevy vehicle,even Chevy and GMC trucks.

    Some checking would still have to be done to see if it is even possible though,because a sbb has 1.163" taller deck height than a sbc,and the taller the deck gets,the wider the engine gets,so.. But with a stage 2 style head the flange will sit further towards the center of the engine to help with the width,but not so much with the height though. Some floor clearancing may need to be done,or a little bending the collector down. Long tube header may work fine though,and have extra ground clearance?


    And yes,sbc headers are available with 1.50",1.625",1.75" tubing,some are even available with 1.875" tubing,and some are even as big as 2.00" tubing.

    As far as their sbb headers go,they can include a set of adapters as a package deal if someone wants a direct hassle free header installation in the car that their headers are made for when using aluminum heads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox's Den View Post
    So we buy Chevy headers instead of buying TA headers. That's a win? for TA Performance. Does Chevy have 1 3/4 headers because that is what you are going to need for a Stage 2 head. My headers just barely fit now and they are not 1 1/2.
    TA could make it to where only their custom headers will fit it if they want, but the heads will be more attractive if SBC headers/shorties will fit it.

    Everyone makes good points though. Just have to figure out which way would be the best way of going about it.

    I think Derek has the right idea. That's my vote anyway.


    Gary

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    It would be a smart move to make them fit sbc headers. This way any vehicle that has a sbc can swap in a sbb. Then ta will rake in the dough.
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    I for one do not want to adapt my headers to fit as this will just create another leak problem in the system. If someone has put a Chevy motor in their Buick and want to back to the Buick engine the headers are their problem. If we have to have this type of system it should be made to adapt the Chevy header and NOT have to adapt the Buick header.

    I will tell you one thing, if I have to adapt my Buick headers to the Buick Aluminum head that will not fly with me and I may not do it at all. I agree with the dual set up rocker thing but this can go to ****
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    I say keep the Buick 350 flange on the exhaust side, we already have lots of header options... And if someone wants something different just get a set of flanges and make a set of headers using a kit.
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    Sorry to cause the controversy,perhaps TA can make them with enough material to machine the flange both ways? As simple as a CNC program change when machining the ex flange.That way people with Buick headers already can buy them with a Buick ex flange,and people that want a stage 2 design with a little more ex flow can opt for the sbc flange?(NO adapters!)

    Best of both worlds! I know guys that would want a sbb 350 that weighed less than 400lbs for a Silverado or S-10(or any type of these kind of special purpose type built vehicles) if the HP and torque potenial is there. It would be a whole lot easier to sell them on that option if the ex would be easier to adapt to one of these type vehicles.(because these type vehicles are built to run on the sand dunes and tend to jump as much as high as 15+ feet in the air. With less weight on the front end,the landing would be a lot less stressful,especally on an angled landing!)

    And with a sbc ex flange,it would be a whole lot easier to put a turbo on it with a sbc turbo kit that are readilly available to make some legendary Buick power that would make the Grand National v6 look like a punk!


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    ---------- Post added at 10:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:31 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by sean Buick 76 View Post
    I say keep the Buick 350 flange on the exhaust side, we already have lots of header options... And if someone wants something different just get a set of flanges and make a set of headers using a kit.
    The problem with this is that if the flange is changed to a Buick flange on the headers,the headers still might not fit because of how much wider a sbb 350 is compared to a sbc.

    A stage 2 style would push the ex flange closer to the center of the engine giving more steering shaft,and frame rail clearance to install sbc headers without changing the flange.

    Plus if TA made these to be a standard Buick ex flange head and able to machine them to a stage 2 head also right out of the gate they would have 2 different heads availble from one casting.(I think we're are only going to have one shot at getting heads made for a sbb 350,so might as well get a 2 from 1,if its even possible?)

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    I have looked at Chevy headers and it could be a challenge to get them to fit some chassis. stock large Buick flanges is cost effective since you can use stock manifolds. Gbody cars have little room with the wide block in them. 1 7/8 BBB headers are about all that can fit in gbody cars and still need to be fitted.a new header design is needed for some cars.
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    Default Re: TA Aluminum Intake OR ALuminum Heads(this is for real)

    I gotta say, Derek nails it again...though I do sympathize with others who would want to keep it the same as iron heads. Having 2 sets of heads available from one mold with an exhaust change for either depending on which style you ordered would be super sweet! Stage1 and Stage2 styles.

    Stage2 is better for G body Regals anyway because of the tight fit with headers. The Stage2 full length headers are supposed to have the best clearance vs Stage1 headers for big blocks, if that tells you anything.

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