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    Default Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Is it the same thing? are they both as dangerous? any non iso ones available?
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Hardener is catalyst and vice versa, same thing.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Dangerous? No worse than all food preservatives we consume every day ha
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by hugger View Post
    Dangerous? No worse than all food preservatives we consume every day ha
    Or Imron
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by hugger View Post
    Dangerous? No worse than all food preservatives we consume every day ha
    Is that to say we should stop eating preservatives or we can safely add Imron to our cereal in the morning?
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Demko View Post
    Hardener is catalyst and vice versa, same thing.
    Both have cyanide
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    If you eat almonds or apple seeds you're already getting a little cyanide.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    I heard cyanide was toxic. Is that overhyped? or are we just addicted to painting to the point where we deny and rationalize its dangers. Like people do with smoking, drinking, drugs, risky sex, eternity etc etc.

    Also, I heard there are som non iso urethane clears now? any word on that? I wonder if there is a non iso hardner for enamel.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Yes, cyanide is a poison. Ever hear of Zyklon B?

    That being said, if you use the right personal protection equipment, like a good quality respirator, you'll be fine.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by garybuick View Post
    I heard cyanide was toxic. Is that overhyped? or are we just addicted to painting to the point where we deny and rationalize its dangers. Like people do with smoking, drinking, drugs, risky sex, eternity etc etc.

    Also, I heard there are som non iso urethane clears now? any word on that? I wonder if there is a non iso hardner for enamel.
    If your contemplating painting your Buick yourself, DONT, along with having the proper protective equipment for yourself, you will also need a spraybooth to remove/trap all the overspray.
    Spraying even a fender, your garage will fill up with overspray/fumes, let alone a whole car
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Demko View Post
    If your contemplating painting your Buick yourself, DONT, along with having the proper protective equipment for yourself, you will also need a spraybooth to remove/trap all the overspray.
    Spraying even a fender, your garage will fill up with overspray/fumes, let alone a whole car
    even hvlp outside on the the driveway? I was thinking of doing my 92 s10.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by buick64203 View Post
    Yes, cyanide is a poison. Ever hear of Zyklon B?

    That being said, if you use the right personal protection equipment, like a good quality respirator, you'll be fine.
    zyklon B? isnt that the stuff they used to kill lice on people in the refugee camps? didn know it was cyanide though.

    Some guys were talking about a whole fresh body haz mat suit and fresh air supply to spray iso's I miss the days of lacquer in the driveway.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by garybuick View Post
    Some guys were talking about a whole fresh body haz mat suit and fresh air supply to spray iso's
    Don't risk your health taking shortcuts on safety gear. The health hazards associated with modern paints and other auto body materials are well documented.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by garybuick View Post
    I heard cyanide was toxic. Is that overhyped? or are we just addicted to painting to the point where we deny and rationalize its dangers. Like people do with smoking, drinking, drugs, risky sex, eternity etc etc.

    Also, I heard there are som non iso urethane clears now? any word on that? I wonder if there is a non iso hardner for enamel.
    Risky sex? Is that like, not making sure she is a she from the get go?
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Parquette View Post
    Risky sex? Is that like, not making sure she is a she from the get go?
    I hadnt thought of that. My guydar is bulletproof though so no worries here. The song LOLA comes to mind. HA!
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nailhead View Post
    Don't risk your health taking shortcuts on safety gear. The health hazards associated with modern paints and other auto body materials are well documented.
    Are there any non iso hardeners for Acrylic Enamel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by garybuick View Post
    even hvlp outside on the the driveway? I was thinking of doing my 92 s10.
    I bet your neighbors would love you for that.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by StratoBlue72 View Post
    I bet your neighbors would love you for that.
    thats what Im trying to find out, if HVLP would eliminate overspray to a point where it wouldnt travel to the neighbors.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by garybuick View Post
    I hadnt thought of that. My guydar is bulletproof though so no worries here. The song LOLA comes to mind. HA!
    I dated a woman named Lola. Smokin' hot, but I still checked, often, to make certain she was still female.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey15 View Post
    I dated a woman named Lola. Smokin' hot, but I still checked, often, to make certain she was still female.
    no harm in checking often to see if the guydar is calibrated correctly. You cant be too careful. haha thats good material! Got to keep it fun.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by garybuick View Post
    thats what Im trying to find out, if HVLP would eliminate overspray to a point where it wouldnt travel to the neighbors.
    HVLP does not eliminate overspray.
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    Default Re: Whats the dif between Acrylic Enamel with hardener and Catalyzed Acrylic Enamel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Demko View Post
    HVLP does not eliminate overspray.
    HVLP does not eliminate overspray to a point? I thought that was the advantage of HVLP. To waste less paint.
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