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  1. #1
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    Cool A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Hi to all members of the V8 Buick forum!

    I would like to introduce myself and Betty
    My name is Martin and I´m 39 years old.
    I´m living in Bavaria in the south of Germany and this year my childhood dream comes true.
    Finally I found my 67 Buick Riviera - my lovely Betty.














    Some things have to be done but step by step it will be done.

    I hope some of you guys can help me with a little problem - I can´t find the right header for
    the 430er engine here in Germany. Most dealer of US Car Parts don´t have any buick parts.
    I would like to renew the complete exhaust system. I´ve got 2.5 pipes, a H-Pipe with D Flowmaster mufflers
    but the right header is missing. If this question should be asked in another part of the Forum please give me
    a hint and I will write a new thread for it.

    Best wishes
    Martin
    Last edited by Martin L.; 12-19-2016 at 09:25 AM. Reason: bad English :D

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    Do you mean you need a cast iron factory exhaust manifold for passenger side? If so, members here can sell you a used replacement. There are no reproductions.

    Headers are different. They are aftermarket tubular aluminum and steel products. I would not use them on this car myself. But if this is what you want to do try shorties from www.TAperformance.com


    Product ID: TA_2012CSH
    Raw Finish Shorty 400-430-455 Headers, 1-7/8"
    Details*

    Shorty. 1-7/8” Primary, Fits `67-`76 Riviera, `68-`77 Special, Skylark, GS, Sportwagon, Regal, Century. `71-`76 LeSabre,Centurion, Electra. `78-`88 Regal. Raw
    Price: $499.00
    *
    TA also sells exhaust systems:

    Product ID: TA_2004C
    RIVERIA 2.5"EXH.SYSTEM 1967-70
    Details*

    `67-`70 Buick Riviera with 400-430-455 engine, 2.5”
    Price: $442.00
    *
    Jim Lore
    BPG 1037
    "If you cannot clear up the confusion at least make the confusion clear."

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Welcome Martin. Very nice Buick. Love the color. Very unique.
    Jerry
    '62 LeSabre 4dr. sedan
    '65 Skylark convt.
    '67 Skylark 2dr. hdtp.
    '30 Ford Roadster pickup
    '68 Nova SS
    '69 Z/28 RS apart
    '70 Camaro RS race project
    '71 Z/28 RS
    '73 Beetle convt. project
    '78 Futura
    '78 Fairmont wgn project
    '83 Olds Delta 88 Royale
    '88 Dakota
    '92 Plymouth
    '05 Silverado 4x4
    '14 Dodge Journey Blacktop edt.
    My name's Jerry and I'm a caraholic.

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Servus aus Kalifornien

    ich bin Stuttgarter lebe aber in kalifornien .. ich habe einen 68er GS, wenn du gewisse Anfragen hast bei denen ich ir evtl helfen kann, melde dich...
    Beste Gruesse in die Heimat

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Welcome from NY.
    Fred
    Fred Weisse
    67 GS400 4 Speed Convertible
    70 GSX Stage1
    70 GS Stage1 Conv
    87 GNX
    And Much Much More


    "Every Breath You Take, Every Move You Make, I'll Be Watching You" Our Gov't at work.

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Thank you very much for your answers!

    @flynbuick
    The headers of my car are very rusty so i decided to renew the complete exhaust system.
    Do I need the exhaust manifold for passenger side if the complete exhaust system will bei new?
    Why wouldn´t you use the headers? Thx for your response

    @Smokey15
    Thank you

    @Sebambam
    Hier auf deutsch zu lesen hätte ich nicht erwartet. Vielen Dank für die Willkommensgrüße und nochmal
    herzlichen Dank für die Angebotene Hilfe.

    @gsfred
    THX!

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin L. View Post
    Thank you very much for your answers!

    @flynbuick
    The headers of my car are very rusty so i decided to renew the complete exhaust system.
    Do I need the exhaust manifold for passenger side if the complete exhaust system will bei new?
    Why wouldn´t you use the headers? Thx for your response
    Headers:

    • Do not make a lot of performance difference on a low rpm street motor;
    • Can require extra maintenance due to sealing issues and secondary heat related issues, examples plug wires, starters, heat in the cabin, ect.;
    • Have limited life expectancy;
    • Add to expenses due to acquisition and coating costs.

    • Read some debate about headers here:

      http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.ph...-my-63-Riviera
    Last edited by flynbuick; 12-19-2016 at 06:19 PM.
    Jim Lore
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    "If you cannot clear up the confusion at least make the confusion clear."

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Gruess' aus Kanada!

    Ich kann auch Deutsch, aber nicht so gut wie ein paar anderen hier auf diese Seite...(bin immer noch ein Deutscher in Ausland!)

    You will find a lot of technical help here; these guys are the experts when it comes to Buicks.

    Your Riviera is a very pretty car; - one of my favorites; - good choice!
    Marc,
    66 Electrafied,

    '66 Buick Electra 225 Conv. (Going to finally get this thing finished this winter, since I can't sell it)
    '67 Buick Wildcat Custom Conv. (...the Cat came back the very next day...)
    '01 Buick LeSabre Limited
    '08 Buick Allure (Canadian LaCrosse, and not very "alluring"...)

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    Welcome from Sachsen-Anhalt
    jaja noch einer der etwas Deutsch kann
    Markus
    1971 Buick GS 350 HT AT without AC
    I'm from Germany, my english is not the best, sorry for all the mistakes

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Forgot to ask. Is that the factory color? If so, that is the first one I've seen. But then, I've lead a sheltered life.
    Jerry
    '62 LeSabre 4dr. sedan
    '65 Skylark convt.
    '67 Skylark 2dr. hdtp.
    '30 Ford Roadster pickup
    '68 Nova SS
    '69 Z/28 RS apart
    '70 Camaro RS race project
    '71 Z/28 RS
    '73 Beetle convt. project
    '78 Futura
    '78 Fairmont wgn project
    '83 Olds Delta 88 Royale
    '88 Dakota
    '92 Plymouth
    '05 Silverado 4x4
    '14 Dodge Journey Blacktop edt.
    My name's Jerry and I'm a caraholic.

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Betty is a beauty! Welcome from Canada.
    Randy K

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Welcome to v8buick and the wonderful world of Riviera from Canada's capital city.
    Your '67 is a very nice find, congratulations !!

    When you get a chance, check out the ROA (...Riviera Owners Association), from the link in my signature.
    We have quite a few European members, as it is an international organization of members who all share a passion for Riviera.
    Randy Hunter / ROA Charter Member #155 - '68 Buick Riviera GS (clone) '"The JEWAL"
    ...previous Buicks: '68 LeSabre 400 2dr hdtp,'68 Wildcat 2dr hdtps (2), '68 Riviera (2 parts cars),'80 LeSabre V6 4 dr (...long gone slug)
    Check out the ROA here: www.rivowners.org ,and my '68 Riviera here: http://www.v8buick.com/garage_vehicl...w_vehicle&id=1

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Thank you very much for your kind words!

    @flynbuick
    Thx for your explanation. Your words are an eyeopener - so I think it would be the best solution to get some original header in a good condition - hard to find I think..
    The reason for rebuilding the exhaust system is not more power (sure you can have never enough :D ) but I would like to have more deep bubbly V8 sound - Betty was
    only wispering and the other reason - the original headers are ugly rusty... hmm... I have to think about it. Thx

    @66electrafied
    Thank you - DANKESCHÖN

    @Kaule
    Hallo Kaule - freut mich noch jemanden zu treffen der aus der "Umgebung" kommt

    @Smokey15
    It´s an original colour but Betty started her life in Platinum Mist - now its Fire Red which is an original colour starting at the 70s
    http://www.stage1registry.com/paint_...Buicks.html#28

    @65wildcater
    Thank you - I´m very happy to find her :D

    @Rivman
    Thank you :D - I will check out - sounds great - THX!

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    You may know about Germany, but I believe some European countries would not pass inspection and certify a U.S. car for road use because headers were not factory equipment.
    Jim Lore
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    "If you cannot clear up the confusion at least make the confusion clear."

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Welcome Martin from another Bavarian! Nice Riv you got there! Where are you exactly from?
    Regards from Altoetting
    `67 GS400 4spd - to be restored
    `68 Wildcat
    `87 Mercedes-Benz 300SE
    `88 Mercedes-Benz 300E 4MATIC

    Joe

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Welcome and hello from Munich,

    this is THE board for Buick enthusiasts.
    Very kind members and a lot of knowledge.

    headers? might jeopadize a H-Kennzeichen if you want to get one.
    If it is purely the ugly rust then you could also consider painting it.

    CU

    Patrick
    Patrick
    1977 Buick Electra 225 Ltd. (sold)
    1967 Buick Special 4dr

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    @wildcatjoe68
    Bavarian connection :D - Thank you - I´m living near to Ingolstadt. Maybe we will met us during a big US Oldie Meet here in Bavaria

    @PatricksBuick
    Hi and thank you very much - Yes I would like to have the "H-Kennzeichen" so you think that might be a problem. It is very strange - ask 5 people and you will get
    everytime another information about the "H-Kennzeichen" even the Inspectors of the TÜV. But I think I will search for some better original headers or try to refresh the
    old one. Painting headers? I didn´t hear anything about it - can you tell me more? Thx for your informations! Maybe we will met us somewhere next year

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    What I would do is "powdercoat" (heat applied ceramic coating) the factory exhaust manifolds. This is cheaper to do and it retains the originality of the car, which should make the TUV happy. Powdercoating places a strong ceramic paint on the surface, and it will not rust away like regular paint will. It is available in plenty of different colours.

    Placing headers (after-market tube exhaust stacks) on that car may be difficult. If you prefer the car to be louder, use a different muffler. In your application headers would provide you absolutely no benefit, and would jeopardize your H-Kennzeichen.
    Marc,
    66 Electrafied,

    '66 Buick Electra 225 Conv. (Going to finally get this thing finished this winter, since I can't sell it)
    '67 Buick Wildcat Custom Conv. (...the Cat came back the very next day...)
    '01 Buick LeSabre Limited
    '08 Buick Allure (Canadian LaCrosse, and not very "alluring"...)

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    @66electrafied
    Thank you for your reply. A good Idea! I will think about it - if i read all your arguments against the aftermarket headers I think i won´t remove them.

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Hi Martin,

    welcome to the board and congratulations to your Riviera from Emmerich, right? . Actually I`ve never seen an old Buick without surface rust on the exhaust manifolds
    (you're still confusing these with headers?) So don't worry about it just get a good muffler to make it sound right. Concerning exhaust sounds, I'm very pingelig ;)
    I've had a 67 Electra with the 430 engine and I've tried out 3 different mufflers, and got the best result with a pair of Cherry Bomb Turbo mufflers, sounded great.
    Here's a short video clip just to give an impression: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Qk2b5W_90
    (Btw. I also installed these on my nailheaded Wildcat, but here they are way too quiet, so it really depends on the car...)

    Good luck,
    Bernd
    Bernd
    1965 Wildcat Custom 2dr HT

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    Welcome to V8 Buick.
    I LOVE the color of your Riviera!!
    VERY BRIGHT!!!
    That's a nice car !!
    "Bulldog" James A. Miller

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    Martin --can you post pictures of the exhaust for your Riv at the location where it bolts to the engine heads?
    Jim Lore
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    "If you cannot clear up the confusion at least make the confusion clear."

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    Default Re: A Newbie - Hello from Germany -

    @cb67
    Hi & Thank you - You´re right I had found my beauty in Emmerich not far away from you. This was a hardcore 24h trip but at the end I was tired and veerrry happy
    At first I will try the Flowmaster D Muffler - hope that sound is that what I would like to hear.

    @bhambulldog
    Thank you very much for your kind words!

    @flynbuick
    I will do some pictures in the next days ;)

 

 

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