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    Default Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    I recently purchased a 1971 Buick GS 455, Fire Red with white vinyl top. Interior is pearl white with bucket seats. Here is my VIN and Cowl Tag.

    71 - 43437 - 1 - Z - 31793
    TR - 165 - B80 - 75 - A
    06C - 440056 - 640137

    So I know it is 1971, Buick GS, 2 DR Hard Top, Built in Fremont, Cali.

    TR=455
    165= Pearl White Vinyl Buckets
    75= ????
    A= ???
    B80= Drip Rail Moldings
    06= June
    C= Third Week

    Can someone confirm my external colour? Is it correct being Fire Red w/ White Vinyl Top? Or is it suppose to be Regal Black?

    Now my engine. After a ton of research on the site I learned that it is a factory service replacement block.
    BIEI 3589
    1238861 (late 1971 - mid 1972).
    B=Buick
    I= 1971
    E= Engine Plant - Is it Massena Castings Plant? OR Linden Assembly?
    3589 = Sequence #

    Can someone tell me what a exactly a factory replacement engine is? And does this effect the value?

    I was told that this was a owned by a guy in Montana and was brought brought up to Canada.
    Trent

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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    TR = Trim

    75 = Fire Red

    A = White Vinyl Top

    Your VIN number is located in front of the drivers side I/P

    what you posted was the Fisher plate ID and build sequence number which are different from the VIN.
    Last edited by thepartsman; 12-29-2016 at 02:33 PM.
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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge-O View Post
    ..

    Can someone tell me what a exactly a factory replacement engine is?

    probably the original owner blew up the motor while pusihg it to the limit in a drunken stupor and it was still under warranty so they replaced it free of charge with an identical engine. But I have no idea if it affects the value. Might make it more valuable.
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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    No doubt, any time you have a replacement engine, you limit the pool of potential buyers. Having a replacement engine is not a plus for value.
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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Congrats on your new GS. That's a gorgeous color combo so please share some pics on this site when you can.
    Brian

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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Buick Engine Plant:
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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Attached are photos.
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Trent

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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Very nice!
    Brian

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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Looks very nice. Good score ! Where did you find it ?

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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
    Trent

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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    You might want to look at this too!http://www.vintagevehicleservices.com/options.html
    All Buick engines were built at Factory 36 in Flint, MI, btw.
    Roberta
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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by 69 GS 400 View Post
    Looks very nice. Good score ! Where did you find it ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge-O View Post
    Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
    Congrats on your purchase. My youngest brother lives in Lethbridge and he might know of this car. I seem to recall him mentioning someone there who had a small car collection.
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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    I agree with Jim on value, however you have the next best thing to the original motor. It is hard to tell in the picture, but it appears to have a skylark grill. Nice car though.
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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Healey View Post
    I agree with Jim on value, however you have the next best thing to the original motor. It is hard to tell in the picture, but it appears to have a skylark grill. Nice car though.
    Ya. I think it adds to the value in a way because it tells the story. The original owner blew it up one night while blowing away some corvette. Wounded in battle. After all it is a factory dealer replaced engine made in the same place. Its not like some guys bought a case of beer and put some jasper engine in there one weekend. Do you have documentation of the engine replacement? When was it done and at what mileage?
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    Default Re: Help with what I bought? VIN, Codes and etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister T View Post
    Congrats on your purchase. My youngest brother lives in Lethbridge and he might know of this car. I seem to recall him mentioning someone there who had a small car collection.
    Yes. The guy that I bought it from has a small car collection with a few Buick GS's. This is the second Buick GS that I have bought from him. My first was a 1970 Buick GS with a 455, TH400 and 12 bolt rear - it was originally a GS 350 car converted to a 455.
    Trent

 

 

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