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    Default Re: Newer model Buicks. What do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by rmstg2 View Post
    There are over 300 million people in the U.S. where are they all, you certainly can't see them. No kidding? Your logic is flawed, of course you can't see them all, but they are out there.


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    Maybe Buicks just aren't that popular in Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada. I lived in Fargo ND for 30+ years and Buicks are everywhere, very popular brand, esp the LeSabre and PA, but there are also tons of new models too. I saw last gen Riv's all over Fargo. But here in Phoenex metro, it seems to be all about Hyundai/Lexus/Mercedes/BMW, etc. I've seen a total of ONE last gen Riv here since last June.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi-Town67 View Post
    Wow! Did this thread ever take a crap on itself. So Matt, have you gained any insight as to the virtues of a newer Buick?
    Haha. This thread became more entertaining than anything else! :D

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    My3Buicks;

    We will just blindly pretend this below does not exist and continue to downplay Buick's reliability.


    That was a swell cut and paste about Buicks predicted reliability. Tell me about your own late model Buick ownership experiences please, because it sure looks like you don't have one. Your signature suggests you're in a Hyundai...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Albrecht View Post
    You can get a new Camry built in Georgetown Kentucky, with a made in U.S.A. 2.5L engine and transmission, that can last you a lifetime for close to 20k flat. Not sure how you can beat that.

    I'll drive right past my Buick dealer to get to the Toyota dealer. My oldest son just bought a new red Camry XSE last weekend. He is delighted!

    One of my sons bought a used Toyota too so I know what you're going through. I am getting through it though, thanks to help and support from my friends. I wish your son success in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gs66 View Post
    One of my sons bought a used Toyota too so I know what you're going through. I am getting through it though, thanks to help and support from my friends. I wish your son success in the future.
    Thank you. Hopefully your son will be happy moving forward. No matter what they drive, we've got to support 'em!
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    My co workers dash lights just went out in his Lexus / Toyota $6,000.00 repair bill ., ya good luck w that .




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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Albrecht View Post
    My3Buicks;

    We will just blindly pretend this below does not exist and continue to downplay Buick's reliability.


    That was a swell cut and paste about Buicks predicted reliability. Tell me about your own late model Buick ownership experiences please, because it sure looks like you don't have one. Your signature suggests you're in a Hyundai...
    Buick didn't have a vehicle in the size SUV I drive, I love the Enclave (I even rented one for 2 weeks to see if I could live with the size) but it is way to large for my needs (one of me) and I love the Encore but it is to small, If I didn't have a large dog that I haul in the back I probably would have given one a shot as I have driven several and the sister Traxx and really enjoy them. I also trailer some and the Encore would be under my needed hauling capacity especially if I had my Kayak & Bike on top. Now that the Envision hit the market it will be perfect and will be my next Buick. I also find the new Regal wagon of great interest, but being that the Envision is out and the Regal is not the Envision will fit the bill. I have my parents and my sister'a family in Enclave's, with no trouble with either and they love them. I had 2 loaded Buick Rendezvous, I got rid of my first one and went into the 2nd one both had over 100K when they left my ownership. When the Renezvous was discontinued that left a huge hole int he lineup for me. I always drive a midsize SUV/Crossover. I have already driven 3 Envisions and they are quite pleasing. It is certainly not because I don't want to drive a Buick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by My3Buicks View Post
    Buick didn't have a vehicle in the size SUV I drive, I love the Enclave (I even rented one for 2 weeks to see if I could live with the size) but it is way to large for my needs (one of me) and I love the Encore but it is to small, If I didn't have a large dog that I haul in the back I probably would have given one a shot as I have driven several and the sister Traxx and really enjoy them. I also trailer some and the Encore would be under my needed hauling capacity especially if I had my Kayak & Bike on top. Now that the Envision hit the market it will be perfect and will be my next Buick. I also find the new Regal wagon of great interest, but being that the Envision is out and the Regal is not the Envision will fit the bill. I have my parents and my sister'a family in Enclave's, with no trouble with either and they love them. I had 2 loaded Buick Rendezvous, I got rid of my first one and went into the 2nd one both had over 100K when they left my ownership. When the Renezvous was discontinued that left a huge hole int he lineup for me. I always drive a midsize SUV/Crossover. I have already driven 3 Envisions and they are quite pleasing. It is certainly not because I don't want to drive a Buick.
    Most certainly.

    How's the Hyundai ownership experience been so far? Before you answer that, I'll caution you that any positive remarks maybe deemed by some as agitation
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    Current Buick: 1969 GS400 convertible Factory Twilight Blue Poly GM code 51 with Pearl bucket seat interior, White top and non air

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    "The Buick-and the things of the Buick-had become his passion." Stephen King (Novel:From A Buick 8)

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    This thread actually went awry at post 54. You went to a Reds game? Who does that any more? They were so 2010-2014.

    FWIW, I was a Reds season ticket holder until moving away from the 'nati. I still miss going to the games.

    My daily driver was built by the good folks in Marysville, OH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wovenweb View Post
    This thread actually went awry at post 54. You went to a Reds game? Who does that any more? They were so 2010-2014.

    FWIW, I was a Reds season ticket holder until moving away from the 'nati. I still miss going to the games.

    My daily driver was built by the good folks in Marysville, OH.


    Hi Brian. The Odyessy had to be reloaded in the 7th. One person in our party was ejected for an alcohol related infringement. They took his stub, which because of the number of strike outs was worth a free Larosas pizza. Security said "no pizza for you". We still laugh about that. Reds were losing badly in the 7th anyway LOL.

    Since they've been labeled as good folks, I am going to assume your Honda has been good to you.
    Last edited by Brian Albrecht; 01-12-2017 at 07:31 AM.
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    "The Buick-and the things of the Buick-had become his passion." Stephen King (Novel:From A Buick 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wovenweb View Post
    This thread actually went awry at post 54. You went to a Reds game? Who does that any more? They were so 2010-2014.

    FWIW, I was a Reds season ticket holder until moving away from the 'nati. I still miss going to the games.

    My daily driver was built by the good folks in Marysville, OH.
    my brother in law was on the reds during that time frame. he got called up for a few months and then was traded to the Cubs as part of a multi-player deal. Dave Sappelt is his name. do you remember him?
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    Yes, I do. He was a late season call up after being their best minor league hitter for a couple years. Spot starter and backup in the outfield, mostly left I think. I saw him fairly close up as my seats were on the 3B line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayZee88 View Post
    Buicks average buyer age dropped more then ANY auto brand. That is a good thing and means they are doing something right.

    Ok I'm done now lol
    I believe the number was age 60 to age 59.

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    he can crush the ball. it's unbelievable. even screwing around at parties he'll hit one and you'll never see it again. he went to the Phillies for breif stay and was traded to the red sox. he tore his acl playing somewhere in Maine. now he is a big star in Mexico. I haven't seen him in a year or two. good fella to have a beer with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl7265 View Post
    My co workers dash lights just went out in his Lexus / Toyota $6,000.00 repair bill ., ya good luck w that .
    How did you find out? Toyota owners are too embarrassed to admit they have repair bills, don't you know?

    You'll have to report your coworker to the Church of Toyotology immediately!

    Seriously, I'm glad your car is working out for you. Life is to short for an undependable hot mess.

    My neighbor lady was out last night. "Patty, what year is your van and how many miles are on it now?".

    She said it's a 2005 and has 205,000 miles on it. Any problems outside of routine maintenance. "no"

    They bought it new and are the types that replace one tire at a time.

    Sienna or Terraza tat tat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDBuick68 View Post
    The woman is in need of a newer car and she likes the later model Buicks. I like how they seem to have a decent amount of luxury features for a good price. New is out of the question, but something in the 2013 to 2016 range would do. Just wondering what your take was on reliability, issues or all around value. Found a few 2015 2016s with less than 20k miles and warranty for under $17k
    Discuss?

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    We had been looking to replace our 03 Regal that we purchased new and were/are very pleased with. The wife liked the new regal,
    so we shopped a few used ones and ended up with new 16 Regal T. The car is way different(better) in all aspects of driving and we are planning on keeping it for about 10-15 years. So far not 1 complaint from my wife, she averages about 7k a year on her car and performance/economy is really good so far.
    We've owned it since September
    I would recommend
    Not sure if this is the feedback you were looking for or if your even following the thread anymore.

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    I will say being in the auto business for full time now over 6 years and family owning a Pontiac dealership in Cleveland Ohio for many years and my stepfather owning 2 pre owned dealership for over 30 years ( he is 53 and been selling since age 16) i have gotten to drive and own and see quite a few vehicles. His price point for his 2 shops are $10k and under cars. He buys all down south because being in Cleveland Ohio everything rusts out. Even seeing a few year old Hyundais and Kias bubbling paint at bottom of doors and body panels. One thing is, the minivan market is dominated by imports. Siennas and Odysseys. I see them come in with 200-300k like nothing. Now they are not perfect as they are both known for electric door issues and transmission issues. I do never see Chryslers with that high of mileage. Good friend works for himself now was a Chrysler master tech. The old body style Caravans from 1990s and 2000s has drives all over with 300k. Newer style with new motor has issues. I think the vehicles today are too reliant on electronic everything. I see it with my master technicians. Many of them have been wrenching on GM vehicles, 4 of them since late 1960s. They all drive 3.8 powered Buicks. I think the torque off the line and power is still way better with a 3.8 then the new 3.6s. I miss my 2000 Regal GS i put over 250k on it and sold it a friend who is one of the best Turbo Regal builders in the nation. Car still around, sure the digital dash went, but over 300k with original motor and trans. Those 3.8s whether in Turbo Regals or a 4 door sedan they just pull so well off the line. And great highway cruisers. Set the cruise at 80 still get 30 plus mpg.

    I will say this as much as i am pro GM like Brian i can understand why he has gone to Toyota. My allegiance to GM of today is definitely not as strong as what I collect and what my stepfather collects, which is primarily BOP from the 1960s to 1980s. The cars he buys to sell range in mileage but quite a few over 100k. The amount of tire pressure sensors and airbag lights and window motor regulators and climate control switches and silly little items that break on GM vehicles are to him very aggravating. He has switched his buying to going after early to mid year 2000s imports. We stay away from high end Audis and Benz because at 100k its like a Christmas tree lighting up with issues. Same for VWs, to work on basic VWs, its like you might as well remove the front clip of the car. Lots of issues and the brand loses money in the US every year. They dont care because they kill the bear in Mexico and Central/South America . He is buying a lot more Hyundais and Kias because they are holding a good value and their quality has gone way up since they were built. He still buys the late 80s and 90s 3.8 powered anything but those cars are few and far between anymore because they have been crushed or run into the ground!

    Interesting point in talking to my stepfather was the fact at auctions he is seeing more 500-600k mile cars then ever before. A lot of sales reps for medical supplies to everything are covering more states than ever before. And therefore these cars are racking up mileage. I am seeing more customers driving 25-30k miles per year come in buy vehicles or lease them and buy the lease out and run them into the ground. I think the cars are lasting better. I was talking with my shop foreman who laughed and said when someone in the late 1970s at a Buick dealer he worked at from 1968 to a few years ago before coming to mine, he said people saw an old Electra with a 455 get over 100k miles and people were taking pictures of it. Cars it seemed like last 5 or 6 years and just rusted to the ground. But back then you could buy a new car every year .

    Nowadays the big push is leasing. We have a penetration rate of 93 percent of customers who come in for a new vehicle lease the vehicle. Truly a wiser investment if you can do it and dont drive a lot of miles . The vehicle is under warranty, maintenance too. To finance something new, just not worth it overall. Depreciation hit plus the cost after warranty and service work too it is not easy. Someone said about the new vehicles being appliances and that is 100 percent true. My grandmother is 89 still has a GE freezer built in 1969. Still ice cold. Sure not energy efficient but you cant kill that thing. Nowadays new appliances and cars just are built for short shelf life. Grandmother had a Sears washer and dryer from early 1960s. She had it for years then gave to stepfather for his one dealership and that thing lasted deep into the 2000s. Even parents have an old washer and dryer they just had repaired and the guy said keep it they dont make them like they used to. Its really aggravating to be honest the quality in everything just is made to break almost. I just had a fellow V8 Buick member i had to assist him for his Buick getting repaired. Today its just a war between customer and manufacturer and nobody wants to be accountable or pay or assist.

    I think sooner than later as I have read, manufacturers now realize they will cut back production in 1st quarter of 2017. Leases are just so cheap but problem is the fact when we take these cars back in on trade the bank takes them and auctions them. I think we will soon have a surplus of couple year old vehicles from leases that just arent holding values. Therefore used sales will go down and cause issues. Market was super strong in 2016 as we sold over 150 cars in December. Be interesting to see what the future holds... Cadillac dealers are going to be faced, low performing ones, because they have such a large amount of new inventory not selling, to go to kiosks and take buyouts from GM and franchises will close. Watch for this very soon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Albrecht View Post
    I believe the number was age 60 to age 59.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/classi...522-story.html
    Its really 65 to 58. "The average age of a Buick buyer has dropped from 65 to 58, in part because of buyers in their twenties." There a lot of good info on how and why they are reinventing the brand in the link.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ury-car-market
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    [QUOTE=John Codman;2646548]My bride and I have purchased three consecutive new Chrysler products since 2004. A 2005 Magnum RT, a 2008 Magnum RT, and a 2012 Chrysler minivan that is loaded. All have been excellent. None have had any significant issues. I guess that we are lucky too, Bob.


    We have Dodges and Chryslers too, zero problems. Challenger Scat Pack, Nitro, and 200. You can have Mopars and Buicks in the same shed!
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    [QUOTE=gs66;2647437]
    Quote Originally Posted by John Codman View Post
    My bride and I have purchased three consecutive new Chrysler products since 2004. A 2005 Magnum RT, a 2008 Magnum RT, and a 2012 Chrysler minivan that is loaded. All have been excellent. None have had any significant issues. I guess that we are lucky too, Bob.


    We have Dodges and Chryslers too, zero problems. Challenger Scat Pack, Nitro, and 200. You can have Mopars and Buicks in the same shed!
    I know that's right Jim....around here they are both in the front row at the Ford dealership....brand loyalty?....lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Albrecht View Post
    Most certainly. So the 2016 Hyundai Sante Fe Turbo Sport must have replaced a 2008 La crossant or some other late model Buick, right?

    How's the Hyundai ownership experience been so far? Before you answer that, I'll caution you that any positive remarks maybe deemed by some as agitation
    As I said, I always drive an SUV and Buick did not produce an SUV in the size I buy after the Rendezvous until now with the release of the Envision. The Hyundai so far has been a good vehicle, and thankfully with the turbo isn't boring to drive and in my eyes attractive looking. I don''t believe I have said much negative about any other brand other than Toyota's tend to be a really boring overall ride/brand and in my experience with customers not more or less trouble free than most other brands. As someone someone that deal with customers on a daily basis I learn to see past the sheeple mentality that is out there with Toyota and Honda and hear the real world accounts and really no more brand loyalty to those two brands now than any other. My arguments have been the blanket and unfounded assumptions that the new Buick's are somehow not worthy of consideration and falsely being labeled as unreliable. If a new Buick is not your thing fine, just don't feel the need to bash them for no founded reasons.
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    Those nifty new BUICK Envisions are made in CHINA and imported to the US. Think about that........
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayZee88 View Post
    Its really 65 to 58. "The average age of a Buick buyer has dropped from 65 to 58, in part because of buyers in their twenties." There a lot of good info on how and why they are reinventing the brand in the link.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ury-car-market

    The most recent release now shows 57, the Encore has helped reduce the average age significantly. I can see Buick wanting to drop a few more age years but in the market segment they are in they will never drop as far as some brands due to the price point nor do they have any grand thoughts of doing so. Their bullseye is to be at the same age medium as Lexus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrolds69 View Post
    Those nifty new BUICK Envisions are made in CHINA and imported to the US. Think about that........
    It's a global market, cars and parts are made all over the world for every manufacturer. Just because a vehicle is made in one country or another does not change the quality control standards of any given model. The vehicles being brought here from China need to hold up to the same standards as if they are produced here, or in Mexico or Canada or............ We have been talking about Toyota, is a Toyota made in the USA different in quality as a Toyota made in Japan or China for that matter? Of course not, they all built to the same standards.

    It's funny when people make comments about where a car is built lol, those Ford trucks have as many Chinese parts in them as American built parts but of course that's different.
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    Default Re: Newer model Buicks. What do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by TROSE11SECGN View Post
    I will say this as much as i am pro GM like Brian i can understand why he has gone to Toyota. My allegiance to GM of today is definitely not as strong as what I collect and what my stepfather collects, which is primarily BOP from the 1960s to 1980s. The cars he buys to sell range in mileage but quite a few over 100k. The amount of tire pressure sensors and airbag lights and window motor regulators and climate control switches and silly little items that break on GM vehicles are to him very aggravating. He has switched his buying to going after early to mid year 2000s imports.
    Tony. That provides a good snapshot about what really holds up over time IMHO
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