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    Default An unusual Oldsmobile

    Coal-powered turbine powerplant! I wonder if that car still exists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CAN5nO1ag0
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    Default Re: An unusual Oldsmobile

    Pretty neat, never heard of it before, thanks for sharing
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    Default Re: An unusual Oldsmobile

    I used to see this guy and wood burning truck. I haven't seen him in a few years
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    Quote Originally Posted by bw1339 View Post
    coal-powered turbine powerplant! I wonder if that car still exists.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0can5no1ag0

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    Default Re: An unusual Oldsmobile

    Today the EPA would be all over that due to emissions.
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    Default Re: An unusual Oldsmobile

    Coal burning turbines are not new technology. They had been used, unsuccessfully, in railroad applications as early as the late 1940's. Although technology had advanced a great deal by the time of the video, I suspect the issue which doomed the turbine locomotives would still be difficult to overcome. The coal dust, regardless of how pulverized, is still very abrasive. It quickly wears the turbine blades away, much like a sand blaster would. Rather expensive fix.
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    Even superheated steam turbines only get so many hours of use due to erosion, loading and cycling. Those blade tips and leading edges are usually lined with stellite and still take a beating. Our plant ran 4 furnaces that required 1 ton of pulverized coaled per minute (x4) and the wear plates in the hoppers and pulverized and even the piping was a continuing maintenance issue.

    We also had 64 G.E. Frame 5 gas turbines that were natural gas/diesel fuel fired. They did much better on Natural Gas from a Mtce standpoint but had a hard time reaching rated output due to the heat rate difference in the two...

    Motive power was a losing proposition from the get go. Turbines need to run at a constant speed and load changes will cause a turbine "lag". This GE locomotive was a prime example. An "A" and a "B" unit and a 250 ton fuel tank behind it only worked because it was a turbo-electric unit but used tons (literally!) of fuel.

    I could see that Olds pulling up for fuel... "Powder River basin or Black Butte sir??" ws



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    Default Re: An unusual Oldsmobile

    Interesting points.

    It is interesting that they built that car, when technologies to turn coal into a gasoline-like fuel have existed since the 1940s and would not require a complete overhaul of the energy infrastructure. I believe these synthetic gasoline processes were revived in the last decade, as fuel prices skyrocketed.
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    The Chesapeake and Ohio steam turbine, built 1947-48 used a conventional steam locomotive boiler to generate steam to drive the turbine. The turbine in turn would drive a generator which would power electric traction motors on the individual axles. Unlike the Union Pacific gas turbine Bill pictured, the C&O turbine was coal fired. Coal dust and fly ash literally found a way into every component from the traction motors to the turbine itself, causing unanticipated, premature component failure. I can't imagine the Oldsmobile fared much batter.

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    70 GS455 Conv. 19-A/White buckets, TH400.
    70 GS Stage 1, R26-B/Black buckets, M-21.
    70 GS455 Conv. 55-E/Burnished Saddle bench, TH400.
    70 Stage 1, 10-F/ Burnished Saddle buckets, TH400.
    70 GS455, 55-B/Black buckets, TH400.

    and...STILL LOOKING

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    Default Re: An unusual Oldsmobile

    Its always a case of the new kid trying to re-invent the wheel! The bottom line is still "heat Rate" ... KW(hp)/Btu. ws


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