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    Default I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    I visit repair shops all day long. One shop I visit is a place owned by a guy in his 70's. Let me set up the story about the shop and the owner-

    The place was opened in 1954 by his father and the guy has worked there all his life. He took the place over after his father passed away 15 years ago. Really old repair shop. Its like a time capsule. Nothing has changed in that place since the 60's. The place is dilapidated. It honestly should be condemned. There are holes in the ceiling. Out front are junk cars and crap. It looks like a junkyard. Inside is packed from floor to ceiling with more crap. The guy is a hoarder. I suspect that his father was because Im sure it took decades for the place to look like that. 4 bay shop and you even cant fit a car in there. The place has pathways. Whatever car he fixes has to be done outside. He goes out and garbage picks at night. 99% of the stuff is dumpster fodder but in all that stuff are a few gems like an old Crosley and a Willys Jeep that have been in there for God knows how long. You can hardly see them. Not even sure how you would even get them out

    Anyway, the guy has almost no business. No person in their right mind would ever bring their late model car there for anything. He spends his day leaning against one of the junkers out front drinking a beer. His only revenue he has is from other repair shops driving cars over there after they have repaired them for an inspection sticker. What I refer to as "run thoughs". Which BTW, hes gotten in trouble for with the state when the other shops haven't done the right thing as far as repairs. So the inspection machine is his only revenue stream at this point and Im not sure how many hes really doing.

    Now the building dept is breathing down his neck about the place and he was lamenting that he's really fallen on hard times and has almost no money. He says that he's burning pallets in his house for heat. I felt a little bad for the guy

    So In the back office of the place half hidden on a shelf I see an old Fenton aluminum 3x2 manifold for a Ford 312. Its got three carbs on it, linkage and little chrome scoops. Neat. Its been sitting on that shelf for probably 40 years. I looked them up on Ebay and they go for around $700 all fixed up. And by fixed up I mean intake bead blasted, carbs done over and gone through. I bet I'd have $300 in it by the time it went up on Ebay

    Another cool item I spied was a large wall mounted automotive vacuum gauge. Pretty neat item from what I can see of it because its covered in filth. Never seen one before and frankly, I really dont know what something like that is worth

    So I say, tell you what Bob, I'll give you $300 for the manifold and $100 for the vacuum gauge. What I honestly think is fair market value. I take out 4 crisp $100 bills out of my pocket and offer it to him. He wouldn't take it. He said that someone offered him much more for the manifold. When? 30 years ago? Im here now with the money in my hand! Who else is going to offer him anything for it? Who else even knows its there?

    So the guy refused $400 as he cried about having no money and scrapping copper for pocket money. Can you figure it out?
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    I have faith in you Jason, you will eventually pry the intake and gauge out of him. Throw in a case of beer or two.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Yeah, at this point it may be more of a sentimental thing for him. Especially if it's been sitting there that long. Could hold memories of his father.

    I think if you leave your name and number and stop by every week or two, he may have a change of heart. Maybe offer to throw in taking him to lunch too if he's that lonely/depressed.

    That and a real cold snap could bring him around. Good luck with it.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    He must be around the corner from a restaurant with a big dumpster; he just aint hungry enough yet! ws
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Having no money and getting by the way he has, I believe he is somewhat content and is still holding out for either top dollar or just hoarding without disclosure.
    I have run across folks like this, that have turned down fair offers. what I have found is "For a few dollars more" ( I like using that quote) it will sell.
    5,10 50. not by much. you have to ask after a denial what the magic number is. his "Way more" compared to yours may be minimal.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Go back at night and steel all his skids
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    ive tried to buy cars off people before they want way to much for them only to scrap them for less than I offered a week later.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Quote Originally Posted by nekkidhillbilly View Post
    ive tried to buy cars off people before they want way to much for them only to scrap them for less than I offered a week later.
    Yep, lost out on a '63 Impala SS just the way you mention.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Did you ask him what his price was. This sounds like Alan Wanders Garage !
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Quote Originally Posted by BYoung View Post
    Yep, lost out on a '63 Impala SS just the way you mention.
    I never had anything special but they where cars I could have put a few bucks in and flipped for cash. one was like a 92 fwd delta 88. guy wanted 850 for it had like 200k miles on it needed paint and a fuel pump. I would only make at most 1000 fixing it prob less. I was like no I cant fix it and come out I offered him 100 bucks over its scrap value (350 or 400 one) and offered to come get it. he shot me down. he scrapped it a week later for 200 bucks and had a 50 dollar rollback bill.

    I did try to buy a 79 grand prix that was like mine but black guy wouldn't budge. said he was going to do something with it. it ended up crushed.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Quote Originally Posted by LARRY70GS View Post
    I have faith in you Jason, you will eventually pry the intake and gauge out of him. Throw in a case of beer or two.
    I really don't care either way. Its like finding money in the street. If I see it, I'll pick it up. I have too many irons in the fire as it is. Just found it odd. I wasnt even doing my usual of offering pennies on the dollar! I thought it was a fair offer. Ive found that no matter what I offered, it wouldn't of been enough. I belive he thinks that if I offer $300, then its gotta be worth $600. And if i offered $600, well, you get the idea....

    Reminds me of that joke- Guy is sitting on the roof of his house during a flood. Water is up to the second floor windows. Guy in a rowboat comes by to rescue him. Guy says, "No, God is going to save me". Another rowboat comes by to rescue him. Again, the guy refuses the help and says that God is going to save him. Yet another boat comes by and the guy says the same thing. Eventually the water crests over the roof and the guy drowns in the flood.

    He goes to Heaven and asks God why He didnt save him. God says, "I sent three boats!"
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    It's the hoarder mentality. Everything they have is wildly valuable in their mind or they have some idea that makes them think they're gonna use it eventually. It's a legit disorder for some. Depending on how bad it is, they'll keep things like used paper fast food cups because in there mind it's a perfectly good cup, can't get rid of it, that'd be a waste of money.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Quote Originally Posted by sriley531 View Post
    It's the hoarder mentality. Everything they have is wildly valuable in their mind or they have some idea that makes them think they're gonna use it eventually. It's a legit disorder for some. Depending on how bad it is, they'll keep things like used paper fast food cups because in there mind it's a perfectly good cup, can't get rid of it, that'd be a waste of money.
    I think you hit the nail on the head there
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Reminds me of American Pickers.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    My father in law uses styrofoam cups till they fall apart, and keeps fast food napkins next to the sink , you use those instead of paper towels off the roll, I'm pretty sure it's the same roll that's been there since last Christmas ha, drives me nuts.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Sounds like less bucks and more beer might do the trick. $200 cash and 8 12 packs of his favorite suds.

    If you really want to learn more about this cat, have a couple with him and help him cleanup some part of the property.
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Quote Originally Posted by nekkidhillbilly View Post
    ive tried to buy cars off people before they want way to much for them only to scrap them for less than I offered a week later.
    Saw that movie twice. One was a spectacular 58 Chevy Impala I used to fix for an elderly neighbor lady and the other was an equally spectacular 64 Chrysler Imperial I used to deliver the evening paper to when I was a kid.

    Jason some people can't be helped, they just like to hear themselves whine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nekkidhillbilly View Post
    I never had anything special but they where cars I could have put a few bucks in and flipped for cash. one was like a 92 fwd delta 88. guy wanted 850 for it had like 200k miles on it needed paint and a fuel pump. I would only make at most 1000 fixing it prob less. I was like no I cant fix it and come out I offered him 100 bucks over its scrap value (350 or 400 one) and offered to come get it. he shot me down. he scrapped it a week later for 200 bucks and had a 50 dollar rollback bill.

    I did try to buy a 79 grand prix that was like mine but black guy wouldn't budge. said he was going to do something with it. it ended up crushed.
    The guy that owned the GP was black?
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    I agree with the above, beer is an excellent lubricant. As an aside, I'm not a hoarder but I do save unused fast food napkins, plastic forks, spoons, knives, foons and sporks. Also the little salt and pepper packs. I also am trying to see how many times I can reuse the aluminum foil I wrapped the bacon pack in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buick64203 View Post
    I really don't care either way. Its like finding money in the street. If I see it, I'll pick it up. I have too many irons in the fire as it is. Just found it odd. I wasnt even doing my usual of offering pennies on the dollar! I thought it was a fair offer. Ive found that no matter what I offered, it wouldn't of been enough. I belive he thinks that if I offer $300, then its gotta be worth $600. And if i offered $600, well, you get the idea....

    Reminds me of that joke- Guy is sitting on the roof of his house during a flood. Water is up to the second floor windows. Guy in a rowboat comes by to rescue him. Guy says, "No, God is going to save me". Another rowboat comes by to rescue him. Again, the guy refuses the help and says that God is going to save him. Yet another boat comes by and the guy says the same thing. Eventually the water crests over the roof and the guy drowns in the flood.

    He goes to Heaven and asks God why He didnt save him. God says, "I sent three boats!"


    You hit the nail on the head with that one!

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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    The key word is "hoarder". It's a disease.
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    Like Columbo

    Ah, just one more thing Jason

    I would be remiss if I didn't say you painted that shop perfectly. I swear I could smell it after I was done reading your description.

    I now feel stupid though, because my English teacher hated the use of to many I's LOL
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    Default Re: I really cant figure some people out . What is the mentality here?

    Quote Originally Posted by John Codman View Post
    The key word is "hoarder". It's a disease.
    This hits the Nail on the Head. No mater what you do, the only way that will leave his hands, will be by His choice & the chances are Slim to None.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JR Wills View Post
    This hits the Nail on the Head. No mater what you do, the only way that will leave his hands, will be by His choice & the chances are Slim to None.
    JR
    The manifold I think will ultimately be bulldozed along with everything else one day. And I think probably sooner than later
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Demko View Post
    The guy that owned the GP was black?
    no car was black..... guy was a coal miner so he was part of the time too. but I had a white one as I do with all of my cars.
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