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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Same here mine (70) are black as well but the car was heavily modified so no telling if correct. I was researching colors and finishes for my current restoration and came across this and the gold piqued my curiosity. I have had a couple 71's and never saw gold.
    Jerry Law
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    You have to bear in mind this thread was started 10 years ago. At the time, it was the best info available, and even Ken had a disclaimer on it. The ante has been upped since then. A lot more info has been accumulated. You know...people and judges now have certain expectations of these cars. Steven Ames has a...I think it's a 72 GS with less than 5K, original tires, etc. I climbed under it, under the rear...it was all black...the tailpipes had black on them, shocks, gas tank, etc. That's how they did them, but that's not what you see now. Sure...there were markings under the paint. It's just where we are now in this hobby. Not every car had visible marks and paint spots on it when it left the factory. What's on 1 car, might not me the same as another. The steering boxes or cover bolts may have come from different suppliers, and probably both are correct. Who knows?
    Frank St.Elmo

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    1967 Buick GS400 2012 BCA Senior Preservation Award
    1969 Oldsmobile 442 OCA Sr. Preservation car
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    All that information we have is what makes this fun when researching posts to figure out what parts looked like when they rolled off the factory floor.
    Jerry Law
    1970 GSX

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    On an '85 LeSabre, the a/c condenser should be flat black, correct?

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Probably more satin than flat
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    egg shell BRO

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartin View Post
    Probably more satin than flat
    Thanks!! That's actually what I was thinking but my fingers thought otherwise!

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    Question Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Does anyone happen to know what finish would have been applied to the pulley and fan on a 1970 GS455 alternator? I have seen some that look as if they are gold cadmium-plated, and I have seen others painted black. Did the finish vary among plants as a result of different parts suppliers?

    Thanks in advance for the help!
    Jamie Carnes
    BPG 1265
    GSCA 5128
    '67 Buick Special
    1969 Sport Wagon
    '70 Skylark Custom Convertible
    '70 GS455 (Cornet Gold)
    '70 GS455 (Regal Black)

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Carnes View Post
    Does anyone happen to know what finish would have been applied to the pulley and fan on a 1970 GS455 alternator? I have seen some that look as if they are gold cadmium-plated, and I have seen others painted black. Did the finish vary among plants as a result of different parts suppliers?

    Thanks in advance for the help!
    Fan was galvanized , pulley silver cad/zinc .
    You can't get galvanized plating however . You can clear zinc as an alternative on fan.
    DL
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Had my pulley clear zinc And had my fan (TIN)Ed looks very similar to galvanized. Here in Pittsburgh don't have to drive far for plating. There use to be an awesome place couple blocks west of the Steelers Stadium next to a Penitentiary. But it burned down. They did yellow cad. And you know to do it right . You have to use cyanide for that and it was not legal. I use to walk in this place in the summer to get parts done for my72 Stage1. And those chemicals in that place would take your breathe away. they would have crates of a Bolts, nuts and stuff for manufacturing. There must have been thousands in those crates

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    Thumbs up Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Thanks for the help, guys!
    Jamie Carnes
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    '67 Buick Special
    1969 Sport Wagon
    '70 Skylark Custom Convertible
    '70 GS455 (Cornet Gold)
    '70 GS455 (Regal Black)

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    Arrow Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Lot's of good info in this thread on paint colors,chalk marks,etc.

    I've got a question for you restoration/originality/paint dab guy's. Have you ever seen decals on top of the cowl of an A body?

    I have a 14,800 mile original 69 Special that has little decals on top of the cowl by the cowl seal. This car was stored in a heated garage most of it's life, and rarely driven in any kind of wet weather. These decals would most likely have been picked off,washed off(either by rain or soapy water), or fell off of most cars within the first year of normal use I would think. I have never seen these on any car I've owned, and don't remember anyone ever talking about them or showing pics of them.
    Car also has the "M" on the firewall for manual brakes.
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Nice Tom, is it from Flint? Any paint codes behind the voltage regulator?
    Dave, Seeing Yellow
    71 GS Stage-1 Now Sold.

    Now have real 70 GSX 4 Speed QQ

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    Smile Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Here's a shot of my 1970 GS455 that shows some markings that became visible once I began preparing the firewall for a fresh coat of paint. The car was built in Fremont and has a burnished saddle interior with buckets (this may account for the "189" that is written there). I hope this helps someone with marking locations...they seem rather random, really.

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    Jamie Carnes
    BPG 1265
    GSCA 5128
    '67 Buick Special
    1969 Sport Wagon
    '70 Skylark Custom Convertible
    '70 GS455 (Cornet Gold)
    '70 GS455 (Regal Black)

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    I worked on the assembly line at the Framingham GMAD plant in 1972 - 1974.

    This plant made Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Buick A body cars.

    The black paint that was used on the bigger parts, like the chassis, was sprayed on as thin as possible just enough to provide minimum coverage.

    The paint was GM, and came in 55 gallon drums.

    The smaller stuff was dipped in a large tank, where 2-3" of paint was floating on top of water.

    The parts were dipped and hung on racks to air dry - no primer or surface prep.

    Most of the small parts had runs and drips because of this.

    At 60 cars per hour, none of the cars got any TLC........

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Dave is right about the day to day changes.

    GM made running changes on paints, hardware, and the use of different manufacturers.

    Add in that the workforce had a really high turnover rate due to the fact that the assembly line jobs were really hard, especially in the body shop.

    So a car built on Monday could be different from one built later in the week.

    The skill of the workers varied a lot...some tried harder than others.

    And, NO ONE thought about what would happen 40+ years into the future about someone restoring these cars.

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Looks like Fremont did different than Flint. Flint cars had body paint codes not interior that I ever have seen. Good reference photos.
    Dave, Seeing Yellow
    71 GS Stage-1 Now Sold.

    Now have real 70 GSX 4 Speed QQ

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Glad to see this thread still alive and being added to.
    Ken Lisk
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Ditto! very important...

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Ive searched and cannot find the answer what color should my steering shaft be??
    Shawn
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    2005 Chevy Z71
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by mygs462 View Post
    ive searched and cannot find the answer what color should my steering shaft be??
    Black
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Dan, I have seen black and some type of gray metallic plating.
    Dave, Seeing Yellow
    71 GS Stage-1 Now Sold.

    Now have real 70 GSX 4 Speed QQ

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Mine did not appear to have black paint on it.
    Shawn
    1986 Ttype 60k miles, Matts car. MANY mods 10 sec ride
    2005 Chevy Z71
    2013 GHIG Mustang BOSS 302.. 12.56@115 BONE STOCK
    1972 GS455 69k miles original except paint, 470 BBB w Stage 2 TEs in the works,

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Anyone know the correct finish on the P.S. brackets?

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    On a 70, the aluminum was natural and the other 2 brackets were like cadmium grey or grey phosphate.
    Frank St.Elmo

    BCA #45862
    OCA #035382
    1967 Buick GS400 2012 BCA Senior Preservation Award
    1969 Oldsmobile 442 OCA Sr. Preservation car
    1970 Buick GS455 Triple Black Convertible
    1999 Mustang Convertible
    1967 Buick Skylark

 

 
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