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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by PaulGS View Post
    Paint daubs and crayon marks were visual queues to show inspectors and line workers that certain operations and torque specs were done. The line moved at 65 cars per hour, so the process of visualization was used to save time and minimize rework.

    At the Framingham plant in the 1972 time frame, these marks were used, along with a "body traveler" sheet that was used by inspectors to approve specific operations. Each inspector had a punch that used a unique mark.

    Crayons were all colors: white, green, blue.

    As sar as the paint hues on chassis and suspension, they came in with the minimum of black on them. the chassis fasteners were black oxide with just enough oil to prevent rust until it left the plant.....

    The amount of TLC given to these cars was as low as possible...."Quantity, not quality" was the motto.
    Well said.

    One other bit of trivia: just to give you some perspective about "65 per hour" - if you were standing on the flattrack when it started up it is fast enough to throw you off balance...

    Naturally, that equates to (more than) one completed vehicle every minute.

    FWIW -

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    If any of you are interested in urban legends and old wive's tales surrounding GM Assembly plants back in the day...

    (...and have some time to kill...)

    ...we had quite a good thread going over on another site.

    This was talking about Pontiac plants specifically but many of the situations would still apply.

    K

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Paul, you worked at Framingfish right?
    Dave, Seeing Yellow
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    What is the correct color for a 1970 radiator??

    Thanks,
    Tom

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    I have a question about the wiper/washer motor finish. What is the factory finish on the canister that holds the motor? I suspect CAD silver plated, but am looking for confirmation. Also, is the little sticker on this cannister a date code or a part number or?

    Thanks!
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    I suspect CAD silver plated, but am looking for confirmation. You are correct

    Also, is the little sticker on this cannister a date code or a part number or?
    The sticker has info that includes both.
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by Duane View Post
    I suspect CAD silver plated, but am looking for confirmation. You are correct

    Also, is the little sticker on this cannister a date code or a part number or?
    The sticker has info that includes both.
    Duane
    Thanks Duane, I appreciate it. I bought a rebuilt unit off EBAY that's supposed to be "very close" to original. That cannister looks to be painted with a bare metal colored plate. I can strip it and get it CAD plated to look right. My original is with Nick at Ivyland Collision in PA. I'll probably swing by there during Yards picnic Saturday and take a look at what the sticker reads (and see if I can reproduce one).
    Ken Lisk
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    I found an exact date coded wiper motor to mine that had nice finsh and used one of the Eastwood datail paints on it and got it real close. I think it was detail garay or silver but will have to check if interested.
    Dave, Seeing Yellow
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Dave, I think my first approach will be to see if I can duplicate that sticker. It seems to me that it's a silver-backed foil type. If I can, then I'll get the canister CAD plated and put on my sticker. If not, then I might be interested in the paint you're talking about and swap my original cannister for the one on this refurb unit, masking around the sticker.
    Ken Lisk
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    May I purchase some of those bolts from you? If so please email me curtis@cct.nu or call 432-967-2582

    Best regards,

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Tom, The radiators were pretty glossy black. Eastwood makes a nice radiator paint. Goes on real smooth...........Curtis, Bolts???
    Dave, Seeing Yellow
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Yes, I did work on the assembly line at the Framingham BOP assemply plant from 1972 to 1974.

    What folks used to do is to place bolts, nuts, washers, soda cans, food, etc. into areas that were going to be welded shut. A soda can would make for a bad rattle that the dealership would have trouble finding or fixing.

    Yes, it is true that the worst cars were built on Mondays and Fridays. Drug and alcohol use was common, care and workmanship were not.

    The cars went down the line at 60 cars per hour, come hell or high water. Slapped together was a compliment, as quality was job #10.

    And, for all you purists out there, the variability in those cars was huge. The parts that were used came in from many suppliers, so the hardware on one batch of cars could be different from another batch.

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Does Anyone Know The Reason For The Yellow Paint Smear On The Center Of The Center Link?

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    "Does Anyone Know The Reason For The Yellow Paint Smear On The Center Of The Center Link?"

    Yes.
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    D,C

    Disc

    Clutch

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    This is the original factory finish with markings on my next project....it is a disc brake/4-speed car from Flint...fwiw

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Makes sense- "D"isc and "C"lutch.
    Ken Lisk
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by dl7265 View Post
    Hey Chris what is the build date of your car?

    11D

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Chris, can you show the paint code crayon marking? Is the crayon white on that? Try tracing the marks with a big clear plastic bag then you can replace them.
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Here is a pic of my unrestored firewall. I couldn't find any yellow "p" or "d" since it does have power disc brakes, so maybe that was the default? Plus, there is a white crayon marking that matches the job sequence number on the build sheet, "3112". I'll try to recreate this as best as I can after I clean everything up. I like the orginality of this. Just thought I'd share.
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    Interesting! Can't quite make out your data plate as it got cut off in one of your close-up picture. I'm curious as to what plant your car originally came from. Perhaps that makes a difference. We'll have to ask Master Duane.

    Also, have you had the voltage regulator off? I think much of my "43 B" was hidden behind there (although definitely not all of it).
    Ken Lisk
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by 71GSX455-4SPD View Post
    Interesting! Can't quite make out your data plate as it got cut off in one of your close-up picture. I'm curious as to what plant your car originally came from. Perhaps that makes a difference. We'll have to ask Master Duane.

    Also, have you had the voltage regulator off? I think much of my "43 B" was hidden behind there (although definitely not all of it).
    The car was built at the Leed's Plant in Missouri. Nope - I haven't taken anything off of the firewall yet. I'll get to it as soon as those pesky inner fenders are complete.

    Thanks.

    Bob

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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    This may be unethical, but I took an sos pad to my firewall and cleaned the grime and crud off of it. Underneath this, near the master cylinder was a "50" marking matching the paint code.

    Has anyone seen this before?

    Bob
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    Default Re: Firewall Forward Finishes and Markings- Part Deux

    Quote Originally Posted by bherbert View Post
    The car was built at the Leed's Plant in Missouri. Nope - I haven't taken anything off of the firewall yet. I'll get to it as soon as those pesky inner fenders are complete.

    Thanks.

    Bob
    Bob,
    if your car has not been undercoated is there a ton of body color on the belly ? Seems to be the case on Leeds cars.
    Wouldn't you really rather have a Buick ?

 

 
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