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  1. #1
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    Default Operation 4 Speed Is Underway

    It has taken me about 1.5 years to assemble all the componets, I wasnt going to start until I was confident I had all of them to do the swap.

    I started this long before we knew all the variables envolved and before Dave Kliener repro'd the correct pieces.

    If it wasnt for those who have gone before me I may not be as confident as i am now. Thanks to Reg (sunbuick), Scott Miller, Bob (buickgsman), Dave Kliener and blt4spd

    I dont have every piece to do a perfect looking factory swap, plus this is on a '68 GS so it doesnt have all the parts required for a later model.

    All parts were purchased used
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    I started inside the car. No paticular reason, it just seemed like the place to start.
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    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    This wrapped up my first evening of work, about an hour and half to remove the drivers seat, remove the brake pedal and firewall plate.
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Firewall plate and boot installed. Wasted about 30 minutes trying to fit the right side half of the manual trans firewal plate before i decided to compare the auto version to the manual one.

    There was a difference, most noticable was the my original auto plate was stamped with an "A" where as the used one had an "X".

    I already had the left half plate bolts started, so I thought I would give my original right half a try, slid right in.
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Completion of evening 2, about two and half hours for a total of 4 hours.

    Starting to look more like a 4 speed car.
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Greg, looks like you are all set. I do have one word of caution for you. I swapped in a tremec 5 speed into my car after I had a go at the 2004r automatic(which I hated). I used Dave Kleiners linkage setup and it is fantastic. Made my life so much easier!! But... I had a problem with the clutch pedal sticking(not related to Dave's parts). The clutch pivot in the bellhousing I was using was too short and the clutch fork ended up pivoting on the belhousing. Not sure if there are 2 different size pivot balls, but I had to use an adjustable pivot to get things to work right. Make sure the clutch pedal goes all the way to the floor smoothly. Just an FYI so you can make sure you don't have to take it apart after assembly.

    Good luck

    Bob

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    Hey Greg,

    Looking good so far! Where did you get that little plate for the firewall boot? You know in the underdash pic above - the little metal plate or ring that holds the firewall clutch rod boot (or bellows). I need one of those puppies!

    Thanks!
    Andrew

    Fighting to be a Cancer SURVIVOR!


    1972 Skylark Custom
    350-4 Doug Nash 5 Speed
    285/40/ZR17 Tires Centerline Wheels, it Handles!
    Too Many Mods to list.

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    I just finished mine. Some more tips:

    Be sure to install the Z bar and linkage so you can depress the clutch to help get the tranny seated. I used the plastic alignment tool, but needed to have the clutch linkage operational. It is really hard to bench press the Muncie under the car multiple times to get it to seat!

    Be sure that the trans is fully inserted in the bellhousing. Do not try to tighten the bolts to get it in. You will break a tranny ear off.....Ask me how I know.....

    Also, assemble and adjust the shifter linkage on the bench. It is much easier than in the car.

    The speedo cable needs to be 68" long.

    Be sure to support the oil pan when you pull the auto tranny. If the motor mounts are used, the engine can tilt and break the fan shroud.
    Last edited by PaulGS; 04-06-2005 at 09:29 AM.

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    Andrew, The upper pushrod boot retainer ring is Year One #RR687.

    The firewall manual trans plate #401717 was one of those rare swap meet finds.
    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Greg, IT LOOKS GREAT.

    um..... how long will the whole process take you about???(days or like hours all together)

    Thanks

    Anthony
    Anthony
    73 GS 455 - UNDER RESTORATION!
    73 GS Stage 1
    73 GS 350 4 speed SCO Midnight Gray Paint
    71 Porsche 911E

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    Lookin' real good!
    Dan


    1969 Wildcat Convertible (14.92 @ 91.54)

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    Anthony I really am not sure how long it will take. I didnt put any time frame on it. Plus my garage lighting isnt that good so I usuall knock off at dark. I also like to work with the doors up and the spring weather has been above average the last 3 days, but a cold snap could slow me down.
    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    A picture of the recepient
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Looks like where the carpet is cutout for the auto shifter is going to be exposed now.
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Both seats and carpet out. There was no way to try and roll the carpet up in the passenger footwell. It came out easily, remove the door sill plates and the seat belts. the kick panels will have to be removed to reinstall the carpet and the A-pillar covers will have ot be removed to remove the kick panels.
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Looking great Greg,i`m gonna do this conversion on my conv`t. also,i have everything and just need some little stuff left to get,what pedals are you using?

    Thanks
    George



    "If ur going to beat a Hemi you better have a Buick"

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    I had read where the tunnel hump kind of falls into place with the contours of the tunnel. I beleive the floor bracket for the auto console is in the way. I can kind of see where I think its supposed to sit on the tunnel.
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Yea I am taking a break.
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    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Already have the garage messed up and the really messy part hasnt started yet. Time to get her up in the air next.
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    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    George, I am using what we have determined in previous threads as a Buick/Olds variety. It is definately different at the upper rod connection point than the Chevy version and some Pontiacs.
    Davis

    1965 Riviera Gran Sport Super Wildcat
    1968 GS350 with 462, AL Stg 1SE, M20-- 12.23@114.5
    1987 Regal Turbo T LC2 Y56 W02

    BPG #1128, GSCA #2316,

    "I'm out of the Midwest. It was a good place to come from. It give you a sense of right or wrong and fairness, which I think is lacking in our society." ---Steve McQueen

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    Well done Greg, nice organization and forethought. I kinda just jumped into mine and learned real fast.

    I like the pic of all the parts laid out, one day I may be that organized!

    Good luck, drop me a line if you have any questions and pop me an Email about the Nats - we might actually hook up this year.
    Reg Thompson
    70 Stage 1 4-speed
    72 Stage 1 Conv

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    I think that when its all done, your progress pictures should become a Sticky so everyone can use them for reference. Great pics.
    Dan


    1969 Wildcat Convertible (14.92 @ 91.54)

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    Ok Greg.... so on a scale 1-10 how hard is it?

    Is it worth it? I think it would be.

    If I get this Skylark(1972) right near my house, I'm gonna put a 4-speed in it.

    Anthony
    Anthony
    73 GS 455 - UNDER RESTORATION!
    73 GS Stage 1
    73 GS 350 4 speed SCO Midnight Gray Paint
    71 Porsche 911E

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    Greg, I looked at the pictures again.

    I see your shifter, handle and linkages are of a generic style. The handle part that you see looks to be close to the orignal shape, rods are a bit small and the arms that bolt to the transmission are a bit odd. I can't really see the shifter to trans mounting bracket clearly to see if it is right.

    I am also real impressed with a few of those nice aluminum parts on the floor beside your car. That car is gona be a riot to drive.
    Reg Thompson
    70 Stage 1 4-speed
    72 Stage 1 Conv

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    Thumbs up

    I just did mine....Estimate about 50 hours total to disassemble and put everything back together.

    Nothing is really hard, just time consuming.

 

 
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