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    Default Re: Factory Stage 2 heads

    I will try to find the Hot Rod magazine, I know I have it. It has a lot more pictures but only the one with the Stage 2 heads I think...
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    Guy Parquette asked:
    Gary / Mike,
    Is this in book form or an actual Hot Rod magazine?

    My book says:
    Complete book of ENGINES
    5th annual edition by the editors of hot rod magazine (copyright 1969)
    ..."anayzes all of the 1969 powerplants - just as the fourth edition last year studied the '68 engines."
    It has 192 pages of specs, paper bound not stapled, charts, engine photos, and 10 engine build articles, one of which is "Addin' "POP" To The Buick".
    On page 171 is the photo of an extreemly stock appearing Buick under hood picture of a stage 2 engine (heads and headers) with 1969 valve covers with the trishield label 400-4 Stage 1. The inner wheel wells have dust covers, stock fan shroud is there, power steering, quadrajet carb, cast iron intake, heater hoses hooked up, no-power brakes.
    ..........My offer to provide this book to a known Buick authority who will post photos and info on this thread still stands. Appoint one soon. Don't take my word for it; who am I?...not a known guru or historian for sure. Racing Buicks since 1960, cause I love 'em....My motto.."It's More Fun To Win With A Buick".
    GSCA # 116
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    Default Re: Factory Stage 2 heads

    Here is a better picture of the engine with the Stage 2 heads:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Parquette View Post
    I don't know what to think of your post.

    Maybe you're just kidding around and not saying so. If so, that's a great way to mess up the true history of the little factory performance years we get to enjoy.

    It's strange Dennis never mentioned testing the Stg2 heads in 1969 car.

    It's strange Dennis first mentions in a Buick inter-departmental letter signed by him and dated April 1st 1970, to begin the testing of the Stg2 heads and package in a 1970 GS.

    It's strange the first Stg2 prototype heads used for testing have no bosses to mount power steering yet you mention the 1969 car to have that. (yes they are a left and right heads with mounting pads for JUST the alternator, I have the set)

    The only 1969 car that was used to test the Tunnel Port heads was Tony Bransons' car. And that was later in 1970. And they were not stg2 heads...

    What color was the car?

    Is that $4000.00 with shipping?
    Guy , my heads are the same as yours . Welded bosses , no pads casted for power accessories.
    1969 gs 400 convt 455 11.42@117mph current12.50
    1969stage 1 convt all #s. 13.88@99
    1969gs/skylark clone 4spd (sold)
    1969skylark racecar stage 4 heads
    1969gs convt 4spd (sold)
    1970 stage 1 all #s 4 spd sherwood green
    1970 stage 1 burgundy mist #s Auto 13.44@101
    1970 stage 1 dipolmat blue #s Auto to 4 spd
    1971 stage 1 cortez gold #s 4spd
    1969 stage 1 with Iron Stage 2 heads 455cid 4:78 & 2x4 holleys, M 22 Vertex-Ronco Magneto, Kenne bell parts 595hp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Bohannon View Post
    Guy Parquette asked:
    Gary / Mike,
    Is this in book form or an actual Hot Rod magazine?

    My book says:
    Complete book of ENGINES
    5th annual edition by the editors of hot rod magazine (copyright 1969)
    ..."anayzes all of the 1969 powerplants - just as the fourth edition last year studied the '68 engines."
    It has 192 pages of specs, paper bound not stapled, charts, engine photos, and 10 engine build articles, one of which is "Addin' "POP" To The Buick".
    On page 171 is the photo of an extreemly stock appearing Buick under hood picture of a stage 2 engine (heads and headers) with 1969 valve covers with the trishield label 400-4 Stage 1. The inner wheel wells have dust covers, stock fan shroud is there, power steering, quadrajet carb, cast iron intake, heater hoses hooked up, no-power brakes.
    ..........My offer to provide this book to a known Buick authority who will post photos and info on this thread still stands. Appoint one soon. Don't take my word for it; who am I?...not a known guru or historian for sure. Racing Buicks since 1960, cause I love 'em....My motto.."It's More Fun To Win With A Buick".
    Gary you can send your book to me and I'll scan and post the pages here and send the book back to you promptly. If you don't still have my address, then send me an email at buquick@comcast.net
    Gary Steele
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    www.gsrestorations.com <--- Disclaimer: This is neither an advertisement for my dad's place nor a solicitation for customers. Only visit this site if you want to see an outdated site that shows some of the muscle cars my dad has restored in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B in SC View Post
    Here is a better picture of the engine with the Stage 2 heads:
    Mike , What month is that Hot rod ? Can you post a picture of the cover
    1969 gs 400 convt 455 11.42@117mph current12.50
    1969stage 1 convt all #s. 13.88@99
    1969gs/skylark clone 4spd (sold)
    1969skylark racecar stage 4 heads
    1969gs convt 4spd (sold)
    1970 stage 1 all #s 4 spd sherwood green
    1970 stage 1 burgundy mist #s Auto 13.44@101
    1970 stage 1 dipolmat blue #s Auto to 4 spd
    1971 stage 1 cortez gold #s 4spd
    1969 stage 1 with Iron Stage 2 heads 455cid 4:78 & 2x4 holleys, M 22 Vertex-Ronco Magneto, Kenne bell parts 595hp

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickbuickgs View Post
    Mike , What month is that Hot rod ? Can you post a picture of the cover
    I think It's June of 1969?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickbuickgs View Post
    Mike , What month is that Hot rod ? Can you post a picture of the cover
    I don't know what month, I have not found it yet. The pictures I posted are from the Hot Rod magazine article but they are the ones posted in the GSX-TRA.
    Mike B.
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    Mr Gary Steele,
    The "ENGINES" Annual book will go to you, my long time Buick friend. You can keep it since I'm getting old and my things will be scattered to the wind or to the dumpster in a few years.
    The Photo shown in the 1969 "Hot Rod" magazine article above, is identical to the one in my book. My picture has no caption or comment to go with it though.
    I will get this to you soon.
    Shure would like to see you again. I'll try to go to BG in September.
    GSCA # 116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Bohannon View Post
    Mr Gary Steele,
    The "ENGINES" Annual book will go to you, my long time Buick friend. You can keep it since I'm getting old and my things will be scattered to the wind or to the dumpster in a few years.
    The Photo shown in the 1969 "Hot Rod" magazine article above, is identical to the one in my book. My picture has no caption or comment to go with it though.
    I will get this to you soon.
    Shure would like to see you again. I'll try to go to BG in September.
    Thanks Gary. I'll still scan the pages of the book and post them here for those that collect this information. You and I will cross paths in 2016 one way or another.
    Gary Steele
    Owner of a bunch of junk.

    www.gsrestorations.com <--- Disclaimer: This is neither an advertisement for my dad's place nor a solicitation for customers. Only visit this site if you want to see an outdated site that shows some of the muscle cars my dad has restored in the past.

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    Well, this is an interesting article to say the least.

    I'll let Gary post up the full writeup, but here are a few things I've gathered from reading it. . .

    First; The only mention of cylinder heads are in the very last photo and very last caption of the article. In the entire write-up, they talk about cams and valvetrain, pistons, headers, etc, but they don't mention the heads till the end. What gives? Something related to Buick not "endorsing" racing?

    The article has at least 2 different styles of prototype Stage 2 heads in one photo. Both look to be vertical boss style, one with the normal round exhaust ports, and one with rectangular/square style ports. The rectangular port head is missing a valve/spring/keeper for some reason. The caption on that photo says "Don't look for these at your friendly Buick dealer. They are strictly experimental, hush-hush. Someday, they might be available."

    It seems impossible to tell which prototype heads are on the engine in the photo. The headers bolted up to them seem to be like the ones from another photo in the article, and are stated to be Mickey Thompson brand. I can't say both header photos are the same set for sure, but It would appear so. They're definitely custom made, as the box collectors bolt on separate to where all the tubes meet. We all know that the standard Mickeys aren't like that, but they must be that brand; same signature collector style.

    I can't say what year the car is in the photo; someone else more knowledgeable on engine bay differences might be able to tell. The car appears to be possibly a gold color or maybe some shade of red.

    Other notable mentions are a Mickey Thompson piston and a 4-Weber carb intake manifold. It doesn't mention the intake being the Mickey Thompson one, but I suspect it is.

    The book's copyright is June 12, 1969. This means Buick engineering must have had at least some prototype heads cast before then.

    So- getting back on topic; I can't say when the public could get their hands on production Stage 2 heads for sure. It seems from the article here that it is a ways off in the future. The heads here are definitely not production pieces.

    One question that looms in my mind: Who is in possession of the car wearing the prototype Stage 2 heads when this shot was taken? Reynolds? Pops? Buick Engineering? It's a full on conspiracy between them all I think.
    Last edited by skierkaj; 06-27-2016 at 11:46 PM.
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    '79 Roadhawk- 22,981 Miles ---Sold---
    '76 Motion Camaro Clone - Brother is now the owner

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    Please don't confuse the stg2 head with this experimental head I think is in your photo. Will be interesting to see the book tomorrow John, thanks!
    Ps. Think white GSX with green stripes from MI.
    70 GSX clone race car 10.58@126
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Parquette View Post
    Please don't confuse the stg2 head with this experimental head I think is in your photo. Will be interesting to see the book tomorrow John, thanks!
    Ps. Think white GSX with green stripes from MI.
    To clarify, I think most all the pieces in this article are experimental. Sort of like the Hot Rod cover (May 1970) with all the engines. There are obviously different pistons, headers, heads, etc that I've never seen before.

    Piecing the timeline together; I know over-the-counter Stage 2 cylinder heads definitely weren't available from any dealership at the time this article was written.

    I know they weren't available to the consumer in May of 1970 either. According to Hot Rod (May 1970), "Stage II components assembled here represent much development time and expense. No plans have been made for production"
    This photo shows the full package with cylinder heads.
    John "Hutch" Skierka
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    '79 Roadhawk- 22,981 Miles ---Sold---
    '76 Motion Camaro Clone - Brother is now the owner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B in SC View Post
    Here is a better picture of the engine with the Stage 2 heads:
    A couple things. The engine in your photo is a little different than the engine in the "ENGINES" book. But is in the same car.
    Looks like they added the B4B in your photo.
    In both photos the headers don't look like production Kustoms. The bends are slightly different.

    Also, on page 173 the bottom head looks like mine and Nicks. Where one end isn't finished...but the engine bay pic clearly shows a power steering pump. What gives?

    I wonder if Reynolds "68 car had P/S?
    70 GSX clone race car 10.58@126
    70 stage 2 (real) KenneBell test car that Pop raced.
    70 Skylark 12,400 miles rust free
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    Default Re: Factory Stage 2 heads

    Wow, they are different pictures. I had to look at them side by side to notice.
    John "Hutch" Skierka
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    '70 Skylark Resto- Era correct street machine buildup; panel paint and all . . .
    '79 Roadhawk- 22,981 Miles ---Sold---
    '76 Motion Camaro Clone - Brother is now the owner

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    Also on page 173 showing the experimental heads, the middle head does not have round ports. The ports are flat on the top and bottom, but round on the sides. It's hard to see from the crappy picture, but using a magnifier and light it is plainly seen.

    Pretty cool stuff....
    70 GSX clone race car 10.58@126
    70 stage 2 (real) KenneBell test car that Pop raced.
    70 Skylark 12,400 miles rust free
    70 stage 1 will be restored

 

 
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