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  1. #51
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    Guy,

    After looking at the pictures of the carbs on these engines I figured I would post a pic of the carb that I have. Is it a correct Stg 2 carb??? Let me know!!
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    John R. Zerucha
    70 Skylark @2800 lbs
    8.78 @ 153 mph 535 Stage 4 2850 lbs
    8.97 @ 149 mph 523 Stage 4
    9.36 @ 143 mph 464 Stage 2
    9.77 @ 135 mph 464 Stage 1
    88 Hawk @2350 lbs
    8.06 @ 167 mph 535 Stage 4
    7.90 @ 170.5 mph 572 Stage 4
    1973 Buick Apollo (In Process)

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    John
    Any early 850 holly with choke assembly were used, nothing special.I just got mine from a local speed shop in 1969.What is the one you show,is it an old one?
    gary
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    To grow old is mandatory,
    To grow up is optional.
    "CARPE DIEM"

    69 GS400 4 speed documented Stage2,original owner,18k miles
    68 GS400 Stage2 race car "Great Scat" 9.94
    69 GS400 4 speed convertible
    70 Q-Q GSX ( actually Sandy's) pure stock trim,12.78 best et
    70 Race car, "Thumper"resurrected. 9.80
    71 GS 455 10 second street car, triple black
    71 GS 455 11 second grocery getter

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    According the the literature, Buick used an 850 double pumper. Holley part number is 0-4781. Holley still makes the carb to this day. You have to specify the "classic carb" to get the one with the correct finish
    Jason Cook
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    "Expert in obsolete technology"

    1968 Riviera GS- some assembly required
    1969 Riviera GS- my first car
    1969 GS-350
    1970 Stage 1 4 speed Aquamist
    1970 GS-455 Bamboo Cream beater
    1971 GS 455 11.93@113.36
    1972 GS-350
    1970 Stellar Industries vintage go kart

    Deo duce, ferro comitante

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    Heres the original Receipt from Erb Bros Buick when I ordered the Stage 2 stuff for my 69 GS,I got the headers,carb,B4B,etc from other sources.
    gary
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    gary
    Iron Stage 2
    GSCA #51
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    To grow old is mandatory,
    To grow up is optional.
    "CARPE DIEM"

    69 GS400 4 speed documented Stage2,original owner,18k miles
    68 GS400 Stage2 race car "Great Scat" 9.94
    69 GS400 4 speed convertible
    70 Q-Q GSX ( actually Sandy's) pure stock trim,12.78 best et
    70 Race car, "Thumper"resurrected. 9.80
    71 GS 455 10 second street car, triple black
    71 GS 455 11 second grocery getter

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    John, that looks correct to me. I'll pm you. Thanks!!

    Gary, I think it's so cool that you had the foresight to save all that great literature. (& Mike N.)
    And also that KENNEDY-BELL decal
    70 GSX clone race car 10.58@126
    70 stage 2 (real) KenneBell test car that Pop raced.
    70 Skylark 12,400 miles rust free
    70 stage 1 will be restored

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatscat
    Heres the original Receipt from Erb Bros Buick when I ordered the Stage 2 stuff for my 69 GS,I got the headers,carb,B4B,etc from other sources.
    gary

    That purchase in 69 dollars is 2365.22 in 2005 dollars when considering the general rate of inflation. Still it was a good investment.
    Jim Lore
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  7. #57
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    Gary,

    A few years ago I purchased a 455 Buick engine that had an original stg 2 cam, stg 2 pistons, stg 1 heads and B4bon it. The guy who had this engine worked for a Buick dealership and purchased all of the parts from Buick.

    The stg 2 pistons were almost 20 grams lighter than my JE pistons.

    Later
    John R. Zerucha
    70 Skylark @2800 lbs
    8.78 @ 153 mph 535 Stage 4 2850 lbs
    8.97 @ 149 mph 523 Stage 4
    9.36 @ 143 mph 464 Stage 2
    9.77 @ 135 mph 464 Stage 1
    88 Hawk @2350 lbs
    8.06 @ 167 mph 535 Stage 4
    7.90 @ 170.5 mph 572 Stage 4
    1973 Buick Apollo (In Process)

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    If you could find the Stage 2 heads , would you be able to match up headers today. What would be your options???
    Regards Dennis
    1971 Buick GS Stage 1 warmed thru N-25's https://vimeo.com/183517579?utm_sour...campaign=28749
    2011 Buick Regal Turbo T
    2004 Buick Regal GS SC
    1998 GMC CrewCab 4X4 Longbed (Buick don't make Trucks)
    Former Buicks
    1961 Buick Electra 2DR (Hurricane Irene Flood victim)
    1965 Skylark Gran Sport (first car)
    1965 Riviera 401
    1968 GS400, TH400
    1986 T-Type Regal Bill Blass edition
    1972 Buick Sportwagon

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    The Kustom headers were the slip fit multi piece header design,I still have them on Scat.I don't know of anyone who makes the multipiece anymore.You could get totally welded stage 2 headers from TA.
    gary
    gary
    Iron Stage 2
    GSCA #51
    BPG #1135
    To grow old is mandatory,
    To grow up is optional.
    "CARPE DIEM"

    69 GS400 4 speed documented Stage2,original owner,18k miles
    68 GS400 Stage2 race car "Great Scat" 9.94
    69 GS400 4 speed convertible
    70 Q-Q GSX ( actually Sandy's) pure stock trim,12.78 best et
    70 Race car, "Thumper"resurrected. 9.80
    71 GS 455 10 second street car, triple black
    71 GS 455 11 second grocery getter

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    Quote Originally Posted by flynbuick
    That purchase in 69 dollars is 2365.22 in 2005 dollars when considering the general rate of inflation. Still it was a good investment.
    That is
    a GOOD point Jim---that was a lot of money back then,
    Pete

  11. #61
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    I have the complete Stage 2 package (less factory cam) that came with the Jones and Benisek car I own. Heads are unported. Even have the hood, Stage 2 hood scoop and air pan that the Buick engineers supplied to them. Priceless in my opinion!

    Tom

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    I am still a bit confused on the D port heads, Were they factory cast. If they were . Did they carry a different casting number from the round ports. I would assume they would have too. It seems to me the D ports were the early ones given out to the select few in the begining . The round ports were part of the 75 -100 sets cast for the general public. Is this correct.
    Last edited by Dennis S; 08-13-2010 at 05:10 PM.
    Regards Dennis
    1971 Buick GS Stage 1 warmed thru N-25's https://vimeo.com/183517579?utm_sour...campaign=28749
    2011 Buick Regal Turbo T
    2004 Buick Regal GS SC
    1998 GMC CrewCab 4X4 Longbed (Buick don't make Trucks)
    Former Buicks
    1961 Buick Electra 2DR (Hurricane Irene Flood victim)
    1965 Skylark Gran Sport (first car)
    1965 Riviera 401
    1968 GS400, TH400
    1986 T-Type Regal Bill Blass edition
    1972 Buick Sportwagon

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    Pat Sweeny has a set on Turners old Stage 2.
    Sid Meyer has a set on his Stage 2.

    These ARE the Holy Grail of Buick High Performance.

    Someone start a list and see how many sets we can account for.

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    I still have one set left.
    gary
    gary
    Iron Stage 2
    GSCA #51
    BPG #1135
    To grow old is mandatory,
    To grow up is optional.
    "CARPE DIEM"

    69 GS400 4 speed documented Stage2,original owner,18k miles
    68 GS400 Stage2 race car "Great Scat" 9.94
    69 GS400 4 speed convertible
    70 Q-Q GSX ( actually Sandy's) pure stock trim,12.78 best et
    70 Race car, "Thumper"resurrected. 9.80
    71 GS 455 10 second street car, triple black
    71 GS 455 11 second grocery getter

  15. #65
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    Default Stage 2 Registry Effort

    It appears obvious from the response to this post there are many of us who are interested in the history of the Buick Stage 2 performance effort. Itís also obvious there is some confusion and speculation as to the details of the work Buick did in the late 60ís and early 70ís with the S2 program.

    Why not try to get all the available documentation in one place and do a registry for the remaining S2 parts (primarily the heads)? I would be willing to help with assistance of a few other dedicated S2 fans to compile this information and create the registry.

    We could also capture the stories of the individuals who have owned, raced or participated in the development or refinement of the S2 package. There are many directions we could go with this effort that would be enjoyable for all Buick purists to read and learn about.

    Is a S2 registry a good idea? Is getting all the information in one place (website) of any value? Is anyone willing to help out? Any thoughts, suggestions or ideas on the topic would be appreciated.

    Philip
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    Philip, I think thats agreat idea. I am glad so many have appreciated this Stage 2 thread. My interest stems from my cutting my teeth on Buicks, when my Dad was a sales manager for a Buick dealer when I was growing up. I was the only guy in high school (65 Gran Sport) who knew of the Buick performance potential. I read every Hot Rod article on Pop Kennedy and Stage 1 and 2 tid bits they mentioned in the mostly Chevy/Ford/Mopar dominated magazines. My dad would reluctantly bring home Buick Performance Bulletins for me. Unfortunately I didn't save them and my memory is a little foggy from that time to add any substance.
    Although I continued to buy mostly performance Buicks through my marrige and adulthood. I have just come back with a real interest in Buick Performance the past few years.

    I think a Stage 2 registry would be an outstanding venture. I would be willing to help in any way possible , but my computer skills are limited.
    I don't know what I could do but I would be willing to assist.

    I hope one day to be able to find and afford a set so I can run a nostalga
    theme on my 71 Stage 1.
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    Regards Dennis
    1971 Buick GS Stage 1 warmed thru N-25's https://vimeo.com/183517579?utm_sour...campaign=28749
    2011 Buick Regal Turbo T
    2004 Buick Regal GS SC
    1998 GMC CrewCab 4X4 Longbed (Buick don't make Trucks)
    Former Buicks
    1961 Buick Electra 2DR (Hurricane Irene Flood victim)
    1965 Skylark Gran Sport (first car)
    1965 Riviera 401
    1968 GS400, TH400
    1986 T-Type Regal Bill Blass edition
    1972 Buick Sportwagon

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    I am sure there is more info ,bits of knowledge and stories about the Stage 2 package out there , don't let this thread die.
    Regards Dennis
    1971 Buick GS Stage 1 warmed thru N-25's https://vimeo.com/183517579?utm_sour...campaign=28749
    2011 Buick Regal Turbo T
    2004 Buick Regal GS SC
    1998 GMC CrewCab 4X4 Longbed (Buick don't make Trucks)
    Former Buicks
    1961 Buick Electra 2DR (Hurricane Irene Flood victim)
    1965 Skylark Gran Sport (first car)
    1965 Riviera 401
    1968 GS400, TH400
    1986 T-Type Regal Bill Blass edition
    1972 Buick Sportwagon

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    I hope this tread doesn't die,but maybe edited for a sticky on the board. I would love to know what happened to the rest of the car 1358. We know that the hood and air cleaner assembly, Tom Rix has. Where is the rest of the car and motor. We know it threw a rod, but were is the rest? I well say the body was crushed,but the drive train? Come on someone has a clue.
    Wish I had Back:
    70 STG 1 SCO WHITE LEATHER INT
    70 GS455 SCO Convert.
    Have:
    71GS455 Bittersweet Mist
    87 GN Least optioned

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    TTT

    I know somebody can still add info or pics to this thread.

    Thanks
    Regards Dennis
    1971 Buick GS Stage 1 warmed thru N-25's https://vimeo.com/183517579?utm_sour...campaign=28749
    2011 Buick Regal Turbo T
    2004 Buick Regal GS SC
    1998 GMC CrewCab 4X4 Longbed (Buick don't make Trucks)
    Former Buicks
    1961 Buick Electra 2DR (Hurricane Irene Flood victim)
    1965 Skylark Gran Sport (first car)
    1965 Riviera 401
    1968 GS400, TH400
    1986 T-Type Regal Bill Blass edition
    1972 Buick Sportwagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegoat
    Pat Sweeny has a set on Turners old Stage 2.
    Sid Meyer has a set on his Stage 2.

    These ARE the Holy Grail of Buick High Performance.

    Someone start a list and see how many sets we can account for.

    Along with those guys,Bill Lagna has a set too.

    I know it's been quite a while,but some of you will remember Ed McHam having Stage II stuff.
    Carl Rychlik N.E. GS/GN Club
    GSCA #2090 BCA #23261 BPG #1064
    1970 Gran Sport Stage 1 Coupe-BCA Senior Gold Award-2005 ,BCA Senior Gold Preservation Award 2011, GS Nationals/Larry Miller Best Of Show Award 2011, & HEMMINGS MUSCLE MACHINE OF THE YEAR-2006, AACA Junior and Senior 2010,GSCA 10th year Gold Concours 2015
    1987 Grand National (original owner)
    2006 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Ex.Cab w/Duramax

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    Tommy Mitomi

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    72 Riv (mothballed)

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    ttt
    Just bringing this great thread to the top.
    I know I've learned some things from it

    Tom (Rix) and Gary Paine, sorry I missed you at Indy....we will meet some day!
    Guy
    70 GSX clone race car 10.58@126
    70 stage 2 (real) KenneBell test car that Pop raced.
    70 Skylark 12,400 miles rust free
    70 stage 1 will be restored

  23. #73
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    I am wondering how much interest there is in having some sort of list or registry for iron Stage 2 heads. It would be nice to know how many sets are left, and the condition they are in. I am interested since I just aquired a set that has had no port work done and are not cracked.

    Dan

    ps: Maybe Marco could be consulted on how to establish a list. Could it be an add on to the Stage 1 registry?
    Last edited by wagonboss; 08-05-2006 at 09:39 AM.
    3.8 L per Flush

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    ttt
    3.8 L per Flush

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    Guys,
    I just noticed something, if you go to post # 50 (That John Fritz posted) and look at the far right head that Dennis Manner is holding, that is one of the Stage 2 tunnel port heads. You can see the tubes (where the push rods go) inside the intake ports. Both the 4-bolt block along with it's original set of tunnel port heads will be displayed at Salem.
    Here is a sneak peek.
    Duane
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