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    Duane, kudos to you and shame on you at the same time!

    As an amateur Buick historian, many thanks. I look forward to whatever you can post.

    Devon
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    Devon,
    I am sure there will be lots of info posted about this subject after Dennis Manner looks at the block and authenticates the heads, and possibly the intake.
    Duane
    Duane Heckman, Owner of Classic Car Interiors

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    Default Huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????????

    Well, I'll be damned

    I have tried to picture what those heads looked like for YEARS (solely off the description given me so long ago) and thanks to Duane there they are!

    Way to go Duane, I could not be happier with the home the "Stage 3" block has gotten.

    Excellent work, man

    I cannot wait to see, and participate with unraveling the mystery of Buicks "Back Room".

    This is going to be like opening a time capsule as more info comes forward
    John Fritz

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    Where did the 4 bolt main block end up?

    Dan
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    Quote Originally Posted by wagonboss
    Where did the 4 bolt main block end up?

    Dan
    Well, right now it's about 30 feet from my chair.
    Brad Conley. 70 GSX Prototype, 71 Black GSX, 87 GNX Prototype, 75 Skyhawk, 2 86 GN's, 72 Centurion Convert and a host of other Buicks!

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    and about 4 feet away from my X-Camino.
    Duane
    Duane Heckman, Owner of Classic Car Interiors

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    Default 2x4 cast iron intake for a 455

    I would also like to know what happen to the cast iron 2x4 intake,with 2 Q-Jets? The back one was Chevy,so the gasline turned to the pass side and the front one was Buick(straight out gasline).Brad,you should remember the intake;as it was at BG the year Marty(I think that was his name) brought the Black GSX that you know own.I have a picture of it at a later year on a car,but with the aircleaner on it,it's hard to tell about it without know it.It was for sale that first time,if I had known know what I do,it would have been mine.I have also passsed along my iron stage 2 heads to a collector;as they are to valuable to drive/race alot and cannot be replaced or fixed like the alumn ones.I owned them over 25 years,but I know they are in good hands.Mike Nussell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duane
    and about 4 feet away from my X-Camino.
    Duane
    Here's a picture. The 4 bolt block is in the wooden crate to the left of the X Camino, the Prototype GSX is already loaded into the red trailer in the background. You can catch a corner of the GNX Prototype on the lift behind Duane's car and the Black GSX is in the "Bubble', just barely visible in the background.

    Come to Salem, Ohio this week and see the 4 bolt block, the GSX Prototype and Duane's X Camino! All this and more will be at the BPG Nationals!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Nussell
    I would also like to know what happen to the cast iron 2x4 intake,with 2 Q-Jets? The back one was Chevy,so the gasline turned to the pass side and the front one was Buick(straight out gasline).Brad,you should remember the intake;as it was at BG the year Marty(I think that was his name) brought the Black GSX that you know own.I have a picture of it at a later year on a car,but with the aircleaner on it,it's hard to tell about it without know it.It was for sale that first time,if I had known know what I do,it would have been mine.I have also passsed along my iron stage 2 heads to a collector;as they are to valuable to drive/race alot and cannot be replaced or fixed like the alumn ones.I owned them over 25 years,but I know they are in good hands.Mike Nussell
    Hi Mike!

    Yep, I DO remember that one...we BOTH should have bought it. Hindsight is 20/20, isn't it? Hate to hear about your heads but you're probably right. Racing them would just destroy a piece of history and since we have the TA heads now, why take a chance? I hope to see you again soon!

    Brad

    PS: You have an excellent memory...Marty is his name. He now lives in Salt Lake City and is completely out of the car scene.
    Brad Conley. 70 GSX Prototype, 71 Black GSX, 87 GNX Prototype, 75 Skyhawk, 2 86 GN's, 72 Centurion Convert and a host of other Buicks!

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    I tend to agree with Mike about the iron stage 2 heads. I can't make it to Ohio, even though I'd like to come. What about a registry for all this special equipment, including the iron stage 2 heads. What do you think?

    Dan
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    PHP Code:
     right now it's about 30 feet from my chair 
    Please tell me you didn't make a coffee table out of it
    John Fritz

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    Anyone remember a older gentleman aty the GS NATS in about 94 or 95 that brought a street rod . Dark blue witha trailer that had a diarama on it of diecast cars around a service station . That car had a pair of the original stage 2 heads on it . Also remember a guy selling a pacjage deal only NOs heads, cam , hedders 4500.00 he as laughed at . I wasn't in the position to buy them but hey still a good deal . As the normal inflation goes . I guess a Stage 1 4spd GSX that sold for 4800 would be a good buy at the normal rate of inflation ! We all know that the parts and cars we have have not stayed in the normal inflation rate . I wish they did when I am buying . Selling is another story but I cannot seem to sell anything , I just haver to buy another car to puit the parts onto.
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    Hey guys, Thanks to Northcorner, I should have a few pictures posted of a set of Stage 2 prototype heads (the ones with the vertical bosses) along with the Kustom headers, NOS GM Stage 2 pistons, NOS Stage 2 cam, & a NOS B4B intake that Rusty Wilbanks and I have owned for a number of years. This is definately an interesting thread!
    Jay Vanous
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    Default Stage II pic

    Here's one of them for you Jay.
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    another
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    I'll take it
    John & Terry Kemper
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    Default Kustom Headers????

    Thanks for the pics!!!!!

    Hmmm...
    Thinking they made two styles of Kustom headers???

    Maybe an early design to work around the casting or freeze plug boss and a later design for the more common stg2's.
    I have the design that's in your picture which I had thought were KB headers and also a design with a thicker and wider conventional header flange
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    Thanks David!!! the Kustom headers will carry the part # 2399 stamped on the flange between an outer and an inner tube on both headers. Enjoy the pics and I'll try and answer any questions. David, thanks again!
    Jay Vanous
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    If you guys want to see more pics of Jay's Stage II package, just let me know. I have several to share. Here's one of the casting number with the "X" before it Sorry it's not a better quality pic. I'll try to do better next time Jay.
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    David-
    Close ups on everything would be awesome!
    Thanks
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    70 stage 2 (real) KenneBell test car that Pop raced.
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    Will they fit on my 462???... lol

    Lets see if they will....Wow,thats a cool pic of scarce parts...
    What was the purpose of the small bracket on the header tubes???
    Pat Harmon
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    the small bracket is to bolt the tubes together since they are a multi-piece design.
    Steve
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    I hope it's ok to post so many pics on one thread!

    Any and all questions about these pics should be directed to martian (Jay), after all he owns all this. Now if i could only afford this little package
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    I only have so many close up pics, i hope these are ok for you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martian
    Hey guys, Thanks to Northcorner, I should have a few pictures posted of a set of Stage 2 prototype heads (the ones with the vertical bosses) along with the Kustom headers, NOS GM Stage 2 pistons, NOS Stage 2 cam, & a NOS B4B intake that Rusty Wilbanks and I have owned for a number of years. This is definitely an interesting thread!
    Guys:Thanks for sharing the pictures...worth a thousand words!

    OH...and BTW, JAY: What are your plans for these?
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