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  1. #51
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    Judges, thanks for looking at it this way, that really helps. I know when mine finally comes out of hibernation it will take plenty of hits, but I am expecting it and will take the list and move on to correction. How many points can I lose and still be gold?


    Mike Williamson
    71 GSX Stage1
    67 GS 400

    BPG #1996

  2. #52
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    Gold 400-385, so you can lose 15.
    Duane
    Duane Heckman, Owner of Classic Car Interiors

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    Duane/Brad,

    Just curious, but do you know who will be judging the concours class this year at BG? Do you guys plan on returning to BG next year?

    Thanks for the GREAT thread!
    James Weinman

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    James,
    Sid Meyer will be heading up the judging this year. He is extremely knowledgable and is the guy that drafted Brad and I into judging in the first place. I don't know who he will be getting to help him, but everyone will be in good hands with Sid. Sid and his wife Belva are two of the finest people I have ever met.

    Sid will also be using the judging system that I developed for the GSCA club, so everything should be the same as it was last year.

    As to the other question, "Do you guys plan on returning to BG next year?", I guess we will decide at that time.
    Duane
    Duane Heckman, Owner of Classic Car Interiors

  5. #55
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    I think it is important that there is a general concensous on how the rear axle should be painted. Mainly that there will be no point deductions for slight variations on how it is painted. The ultimate goal in these quests is to produce a "correct" restoration. It does not take any more labor to do it correctly, but we as a group have to define what is correct. I know that they were not all painted the same at every GM plant. Not to throw another monkey wrench in, but I sent Duane photos of the rear axle housing (in the car) from the car that I took the non-spiral shocks off, which were original. It's a 70 455 car from Spokane, WA. On this car the rear housing was NOT painted when assembled. It did have some black paint on the rear side that dripped down the rear cover but I believe this was from black paint that was applied to the underside after the car was assembled because it was on the lower portion of the shocks also. This does not mean the car before it or after it on the assembly line didn't get a painted rear end. This was not a computerized procedure. Maybe somebody took a lunch break and the rear in my car didn't get painted. I would hope that if I restored that car to the way it was built and painted, and provided photos of it before it was dismantled and during restoration, that somebody would not tell me that it is "wrong." Hopefully, someday, somebody, (Duane?) will produce a restoration manual that we can all rely on, like the Corvette people do (NCRS). Dennis Lyons

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    Yes Yes Yes . It should have the paint dabs and locations , finishes and decals /stickers and hanging paper tags needed to do a good resto for that class . I am trying my best not to screw up my 72 Stage 1 Suncoupe resto and hope to attain a gold for it . What about it . The color of the pait markings seems important as the finishes . Wheres that info and I have a 70 assembly manual reprint and its not giving up that info . I bet that some were the same on 72 but some were different .
    John
    John & Terry Kemper
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    70 Sportwagon

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    It seems the thread has drifted away from the original question, but i thought I would add to it anyway.
    I just removed a rearend from a 70 Skylark 4-Door and found it was a posi. The car is a Arizone car and has been sitting over 15 years. I removed the grease and dirt using a pressure washer and found the original color markings still there. there was a chalk marked 33 on the top and orange and white paint daubs on the bottom with a yellow LT (code for posi)
    I'll try to attach a picture of what I found.

    Ernie
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    70 Skylark droptop

  8. #58
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    Ernie, Was the housing painted black? Are the paint markings on bare metal? Dennis

  9. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buickwise View Post
    Ernie, Was the housing painted black? Are the paint markings on bare metal? Dennis
    I was thinking the same thing....You would think that if it WAS painted black, the black paint would at least adhere to those paint marks.
    My '66 rear only had some green paint stripes on it....no black, so that's how I restored it.
    Walt K
    (1)'66 GS Astro Blue, 13.41 et (2)'66 GS Saddle Mist, L76 Q-jet option, 1 of 132 (3)'66 GS Flame Red, Calif car (4)'66 GS Silver Mist, 4 speed (5)'66 Special, Flame Red, 300 (6)'79 Turbo Regal, 14.1 et (7)'65 GS 4 speed 'vert

  10. #60
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    The cast center section does not have any paint on it. There was one small dab of green paint, I added a photo of it.
    It seems that the tubes didn't have paint on them either. I don't see any remnants of paint after power washing, but there are parts where the metal is like new. It's hard to believe that there's rust on them without every being painted, but this is Arizona, home of the dry heat.
    The parts shown have been degreased, power washed and then sprayed with POR's Metal Ready.
    I'm thinking of just clear coating the center section to save what's there. It's not going to be a 100 point show car, but I do like originality.
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    70 Skylark droptop

  11. #61
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    Default Re: Rearend and chassis colors?

    HELLO; I worked at Buick for 30 yrs. and worked at factory 31 were they made the rear ends, I never seen the tubes painted.

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    Where is factory 31 ?
    1970 GS 455 (Desert Gold)
    1969 GTO (Bench seat car, loaded)
    1969 GTO Judge RA III auto
    1969 Grand Prix SJ 428 H.O. factory built 3.90 gears
    1980 Grand Prix SJ 301 (last Pontiac V8 GP made)
    1976 Deere Liquidator (Factory Racer)
    1977 Rupp Nitro (330 original miles)

    It really is just a hobby....not a obsession or sickness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buiyak View Post
    Where is factory 31 ?
    Flint. Different buildings, as part of the entire Buick complex, used numbers to identify themselves. Factory 31 was where the Buick rear axles were built and then shipped to final assembly.
    Brad Conley. 70 GSX Prototype, 71 Black GSX, 87 GNX Prototype, 75 Skyhawk, 2 86 GN's, 72 Centurion Convert and a host of other Buicks!

 

 
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