2015 "gsr" race info

Discussion in 'GSCA events' started by hugger, Dec 28, 2014.

  1. Thumper (aka greatscat)

    Thumper (aka greatscat) Well-Known Member

    I would agree, last years rules worked as designed and the results showed that.
    If it works don't try to fix it.

    Ask ten different potential participants and you'll get ten different rule requests to match their particular combination.
    The rules should encourage the most participants and still keep the integrity and intent of the class intact.
     
  2. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    I agree as well, as much as id like to see at least full exhaust and full interior cars goin at it, goal no 1 is car count, so with what we have to work with from the participant standpoint, its best if it stays as is . But since it was mentioned earlier that some guys felt that it was a lopsided class which in reality it is , as most bracket classes are obviously, but it worked out for everyone I think. But I still felt like an opportunity to be heard was justified and judging from the lack of chatter it most likely will remain the same as before
     
  3. Buizila

    Buizila GO BROWNS !!!!!!

    I would just like to see this class be less of a full out race car class that's all. In the past cars that ran in the GSE had to be street legal with license and insurance,and if I'm not mistaken had to go on a short drive through town to show they were streetable cars not just trailer queen race cars. Lets try to get it back to that.
     
  4. jake csordas

    jake csordas Well-Known Member

    why not limit the tire size then on the rear to a 30 by 10.5 non w and smaller slick or any size dot tire or drag radial. Having a chassis car or backhalved car on a small tire does not make any difference with a smaller tire on it. also to hard to have it just for streetable cars. that would hurt the car count a lot. john jr
     
  5. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Im gonna go ahead and say that I would like to see exhaust to at least the rear axle, With full exhaust encouraged .Thats an easy and cheap way to help "streetin" up the class. To be honest I don't remember to many guys with open headers but in an effort to promote "fast with class" I feel that should be the first step
     
  6. Buizila

    Buizila GO BROWNS !!!!!!

    Here's how Makley ran it back 05:

    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?61214-new-rules-for-GSE-2005
     
  7. Thumper (aka greatscat)

    Thumper (aka greatscat) Well-Known Member

    The exhaust to the rear axle is a good idea.I suggested the tire limiting size last year too, and would agree that a max of say 11" or 10.5" would eliminate some fast purpose built cars, but be careful as now we're reducing potential car count, especially if street type tires are required,theres a lot of power in some motors here to put to the ground.

    I don't care and I'm sure many other guys don't care what size tire limits are placed in this class. Experienced racers know how to kill power to hook a 8" tire on sand, but it sure will take away the fan appeal of the class when a 9 sec car slows to 11.0 to make the tire hook.

    With all due respect to Mike,I think if he remembers the GSE class of yore, the cars were not what I would call streetable just because they were insured,had an interior ,exhaust and drove the street for a few miles.Mike,your car is much more "real" streetable than those were.
    We also have to remember that too many rules killed this class and created again purpose built street (race) cars.I think we should move away from agonizing about what was and put together a fun class for a lot of racers to enjoy.
    gary
     
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2015
  8. jake csordas

    jake csordas Well-Known Member

    I feel the rules should be pretty open to bring in more cars. I also think there should be an entry fee of maybe 10 or 20 dollars so to bring up the pot. Only rules I would like to see is .500 pro tree no transbrake or throttle stop devices. I would also like to see a tire size limit. I feel that this is important because if any chassis car or backhalfed cars run a small tire than its fair game. shifters don't matter if they are stock, electric, or air. I feel that there is zero gain from this. I also think there should be mufflers even if they are bolted right to the headers. Keep the rules light so more cars race. Plus with it a bracket class per say not much really matters as far as rules to make it fair. Most of the races are going to be won on the light and 60 ft time consistency anyway. john jr
     
  9. jake csordas

    jake csordas Well-Known Member

    Or any size drag radial. Keep the rules easy so more cars enter. Hope to be there with our car again. John jr
     
  10. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Good feedback guys and I agree with all thats been mentioned I would like to see the class develop a "face" if you will, that will set it apart from the no holds barred super 16 group . So.....

    1. Exhaust must extend past the rear door and contain no less than one muffler per pipe with a case length of at least 12in. Round case or oval. This is a new rule and will appy to the 2015 GSR class

    Now on the tires I fear that penalizing the big tire guys may have the following pitfall , pot is $1,175 rite now,to win while a pair of 15by10's and new rubber is half at the absolute least of whats up for grabs. So they ,however few they may be wont compete more than likely. Where as most Big tire cars are gonna be on the brake, so as to make it easier for them to compete by just not using the brake it imo negates the big tire and levels the field a little more . What you guys think? Am I wrong in my thinking? Plus this will negate the need for the deep staging that footbrake cars were allowed to do which the trans brake guys didn't care for am I correct?

    And I 110% agree on the electronics ban, stops and boxes are just to much of an advantage it takes to much of the human error out of it obviously. This and transbrake use I would like to hammer down a decision on next
     
  11. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    I like where the class is going..... similar to it's original intent. My car won't really fit in, and it never did. I'll continue to race in the SS where my car should be, and in Bracket 1 if I don't qualify, (which I don't think will happen anymore! :TU:). I really don't understand the opinions or reasons on banning electronics. I have an advanced K&R delay box and I see absolutely no way to use this to any advantage with a pro tree, especially with the tree set for random countdowns to "yellow/green" after staging. There is no way for electronics to judge that random time between staged and yellow/green, that I'm aware of... or am I missing some "super setting" on my box that I'm not tuned into?

    Anyway, if I'm wrong I would like to know what I'm missing.
    Thanks and see you all this summer!

    Steve
     
  12. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Steve im intrigued to learn as much as possible myself about the electronics I admittedly know next to nothing about hardcore bracket practices using electronics vs which tree is being used. So Im interested in the" ins and outs" also . In my mind I see a foot brake class being more of an even playing field due to the simple fact we all have feet but dont all have delayboxes ha , I may be off in my assumption idk? Im a grassroots racer so the pro tree light timing is insignificant to me but if the majority of the guys here that are taking the time voice their opinions want a .500 tree than I see no issue in doing so. And tge racers that see no need to speak up obviously in my mind are fine with either as I would be.
     
  13. Jim Rodgers

    Jim Rodgers Well-Known Member

    Great discussion and great job Ethan. I am very happy with how you are taking this class to the next level. :TU:
     
  14. jake csordas

    jake csordas Well-Known Member

    if you have your delay box setup properly the only big advantage is it gives you 2 chances on the light. If your good you can leave off the slower cars bulb and then leave again off of your top bulb. The box automatically takes the quicker reaction time even if its red. A lot of guys don't use this feature but if you know what your doing and felt that your light was not up to par it gives you another chance. Also if your car reacts way to fast you can use the delay box to slow down your reaction time. This is mostly important if you have a trans brake car. I have a griner valvebody trans brake and I can red light all the time on a .400 tree without an issue. It is amazing the difference how fast some valvebodies are. john jr
     
  15. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Thanks Jim and thanks Jake , How differently does a car react when using the footbrake vs its normal routine of leaving on the trans brake? Obviously the rpm its gonna leave is gonna be lower and 60' will be slower but will it throw the whole first gear pull out of whack? Will a car setup for leaving on the T brake need just minor shock adjustments to adjust for the hit and be good? Is the converter a totally different animal? Im asking just so if the Transbrake discussion comes up I wanna be informed as possible, and as I said before I not purposely trying to reinvent the wheel here just wanna see what kind of changes we can make that will keep car count up by not alienating certain guys because of the decisions they made in building their cars, while at the same time get the field a little more level playing field to mainly tighten the field up to make for more closer racing
     
  16. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    Yes, I understand how that works, but on a regular tree. On a pro tree there is only .500 seconds between the yellow and green. I'm not sure about others, but I know I can't react that quick to give myself a second chance hit. It's real tough and requires practice on a regular tree, so I definitely couldn't see using it on a pro tree.

    Either way it makes no difference to me. I was just wondering why all the hype about electronics on a random timed pro tree. If I were planning on running in this class, I would vote for foot-brake only, and no deep staging. If you have a trans brake just don't use it or make them disconnect it....it's only one wire. It's pretty easy to tell if ones using it or not vs. foot-braking.

    Anyway, have fun guys!! If I sell my car perhaps I'll build one that would fit in and be competitive in this class.... after all that's my goal, to have a fun street car once again!

    Steve
     
  17. jake csordas

    jake csordas Well-Known Member

    it also does not make a difference to me either if people use the brake or not. Most people can compensate on the tree by not using the brake. The more cars in the class the better. I think this would be an awesome class if there were 32 cars in it. john jr
     
  18. drock

    drock Well-Known Member

  19. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Good lookin out, I meant to.give it a bump earlier but as my mind often does it ran in a different direction and didn't return ha

    Just a reminder for sponsors , JULY 5th is the cutoff to be recognized in the GSXtra , sponsorships will of course be taken up until raceday but as with anything the earlier the better still plenty O time tho
     
  20. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    BUMP, hoodies are ordered and my mom is doing the design/digitizing work.on the logo now . Will post pics in near future
     

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