AFR Tuning: A Holley Carburetor Journey

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by johnriv67, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Correct the air bleeds do not work like jets, they flow air.....open them up equals leaner, go smaller to make richer
     
  2. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Yes, I totally agree. This is why I went with leaner bleeds at cruise, so I could get my Afr from 12:1 to 13.2-13.5:1

    However, I may have to go with smaller bleeds on the secondary high speed side, to increase my full throttle richness
     
  3. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    If you had that crazy jet combo if its truly still lean air bleeds won't fix your issue
     
  4. DasRottweiler

    DasRottweiler -BuickAddict-

    Baby steps , one thing at a time. Jim
     
  5. 1969RIVI

    1969RIVI Well-Known Member

    Just food for thought, is there not a member close to John with this kind of expertise that could help him out? Two sets of eyes better than one? Maybe he's missing something that a seasoned guy would pick up on?? Just some thoughts.
     
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  6. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Could the headers be sucking in air? One pipe goes around the frame and is removable...I should also tighten my header collector gaskets to make sure there’s no leaks there either. But a leak there wouldn’t cause a lean condition...it would seem like it would push more pressure out under full throttle
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Something is very wrong. There is no way a new Holley carburetor needs this much modification.
     
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  8. Mart

    Mart Gold level member

    There.....the Wizard has spoken.
     
  9. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    So in light of probably not trusting the AFR gauge, I have 82 jets in it. Should I just jump to 84/94 with a blocked power valve in the rear? Trust science, not the results?
     
  10. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Just checked the rotor. A lot of condensation and buildup on all the contacts in the distributor. Cleaned everything off
     
  11. telriv

    telriv Founders Club Member

    The distributor is not properly vented which causes the condensation. Heat & cold.
     
  12. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    As I said earlier, exhaust leaks can cause air to sucked in after the exhaust pulse passes by......thus is why header vac systems work. This unburbt air nit mixed with gas would cause a lean reading on the gauge.......
     
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  13. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    What is a header vac system? I'm pretty sure I already have one installed
     
  14. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

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    Devon
     
  15. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Yes I have exactly that, and the AFR gauge is mounted downstream of that connection to the header vac system
     
  16. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    I'm with Bens99gtp, I think we may be on to something here. The more airflow through the carb (WOT), the more crankcase air is drawn into the header collector, thus increasing O2 at the sensor (false lean at high throttle opening!).

    Devon
     
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  17. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Funnily enough, when I got my richest WOT mixture of 14.5:1, I had the two tubes to the header vac plugged, cause I thought they would impact the ratios. I guess I’ll go block the driver side one where the bung is and then let the passenger side flow freely, since it pushed out oil last time I left them both unplugged
     
  18. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Some quick searching seems to confirm this. General consensus is that the O2 sensor MUST be upstream of the evac/collector connection. This prevents false readings and sensor contamination from engine oil vapor coming out of the crankcase.

    Devon
     
  19. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Hope you still have some hair left; something new to dive into!

    Devon
     
  20. johnriv67

    johnriv67 Well-Known Member

    Well damn, there’s almost no room to put it further up. For example, look at the picture of the header vac system you sent, no place to add a bung. Same on my headers
     

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