Another Switch pitch question

Discussion in 'The "Juice Box"' started by buickri, Feb 14, 2023.

  1. buickri

    buickri Well-Known Member

    Have T 400 set up for SP backing a 455 , approx 500hp. No real intention of racing ,just around town fun.
    From reading most of the Threads a box from Bruce Roe set up as Larry asked would probably be most Ideal??.

    Second may be the BIGGER issue.
    Once again from reading the Threads the converter is a Poston bought in 2008. I'm about to finally be able to get it out on the road this spring. SO is thing going to crap out on me ,do i Have a little bit of time if i dont beat on it. In the paper work it does claim to have Torrington bearings, a stated upgrade in the threads. Not opposed to getting a new Converter but would like to enjoy it for maybe a summer considering I've had the car for 19yrs and drove it off the Trailer.

    Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Kevin
     
  2. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Ask yourself if you want to chance wiping a gear train due to a failed converter, vs the peace of mind buying a small (12") stock switch pitch and sending it to Jim Wise and having it built.
     
  3. BrunoD

    BrunoD Looking for Fast Eddie

    If you need a 12 inch switch pitch converter I have one in a 2speed switch pitch trainy. Bruno.
     
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  4. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron Platinum Level Contributor

    Can I ask why you would think the converter would crap out ? I converted my 70 stage one to a switch pitch and ran the KB149 converter. Wired to the brake switch with a diode, so every time you stop or hit brakes it would switched to high stall I was running the KB107 cam car drove absolutely great no issues whatsoever and raced. Now the Val train that was a different story.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2023
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  6. buickri

    buickri Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the Info all Stage 2 It seems my Poston converter has a bad rep from Info on this site. Was just hoping to actually drive it this year without any issues or developing one.

    Bruno Ill pm
     
  7. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron Platinum Level Contributor

    Yeah I remember now there was an issue with those converters back in the day it’s been a while. I bought the switch pitch pump and 149 converter from KB back in the late 80s. If you need information on how to wire the switch pitch let me know I’ll see if I can find the KB paperwork.
     
  8. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron Platinum Level Contributor

    I have it wired to the brakes and also a toggle switch for when you leave the line when you’re racing to lock the converter up.
     
  9. buickri

    buickri Well-Known Member

    Stage 2
    Thats great Ill keep in it mind . going to try to get the converter straightened out first.
    thanks Kevin
     
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  10. buickri

    buickri Well-Known Member

    Couple more questions.
    Are the converters no longer made or just really expensive ?
    And with the 12" and 13" out of the 60's cars do we have an idea of approximate Stall speeds for both. Car will be on street 99.9% of the time.

    Thanks again
    Kevin
     
  11. BrunoD

    BrunoD Looking for Fast Eddie

    They were never made as aftermarket and Buick only made them a couple years.Bruno.
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Converter stall speed is not an absolute number. It is determined by a number of factors. Engine torque, car weight, and gearing all affect stall. If you put a converter meant for a small V6 or V8 behind a big block V8, it will stall higher behind the more powerful engine. If you put the same converter in a much heavier car, it will stall higher. Numerically lower gearing will also make a converter stall higher.

    There are no new aftermarket converters.

    All things being equal, a smaller converter will stall higher than a bigger one. The popular swap back in the day was to use the smaller 12" converter behind the bigger engine for more stall. The 12" converter came in the ST300 2 speed transmissions behind the smaller V8.

    Read through the thread on SP identification,

    https://v8buick.com/index.php?threads/vp-converter-trans-visual-id-guide.143723/
     
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2023
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  13. buickri

    buickri Well-Known Member

    Great info as always thanks everyone
    Kevin
     
  14. gsgtx

    gsgtx Silver Level contributor

    they were like 1600 low stall and 2400-2600 high stall on 401-425 nail head 2-speed.
     
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  15. buickri

    buickri Well-Known Member

    thanks ,

    Kevin
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    With 500HP, it would likely stall even higher.
     
  17. buickri

    buickri Well-Known Member

    Sounds good
    thanks
     

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