Hello from a 72 Riviera...................and the obligatory question ;)

Discussion in 'Wet behind the ears??' started by Petrosexual, Jun 15, 2022.

  1. Petrosexual

    Petrosexual Member

    Hello.
    lm helping out a Buddy with his Buick. l need to get this black collar off (ignition woes), its ''loose''
    but i must be missing something as it will not slide off any tips would be most appreciated as i really dont want to force it.

    Many thanks



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  2. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    That is reffered to as the directional cover. You'll need to remove the lock cylinder and then the three large Phillips head screws. Then it should slide off.

    Whats probably loose are the 4 E8 inverted torn head bolts at the base. Which means you'll need to remove the tilt pivot pins (there's a tool for that) in order to get to them
     
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  3. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    And remove the directional switch and get it out of the way
     
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  4. Petrosexual

    Petrosexual Member

    Hello Jason.
    Thanks for your help. Sorry i forgot to mention its has a tilt column and also has cruise control.

    lve removed those 3 large phillips screws, lock cylinder etc. it still doesn't want to come off. Can the tool mentioned be made within reason or brought?

    Thanks
     
  5. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Yes, I realize its a tilt. The cover should slide right off then. Does it move at all?
     
  6. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Sometimes the rod that locks into the lock plate gets stuck in its bore and doesn't allow the directional housing to move.

    Did the column lock with the key out?
     
  7. Petrosexual

    Petrosexual Member

    The complete problem........................
    The ignition cylinder wore out and was removed, whilst waiting for a replacement long nosed vice grips where used to turn the tang thingamagig , not sure what happened but now the ''system'' is stuck in ACC. l can rotate the tang thing to the face of the bar (i think its called ) but it wont budge with the usual plus a minimal amount of force. Thats why i want to take the directional housing off to investigate.



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  8. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    The lock rod is stuck in its bore. At 11 o'clock, you see the round hole? Thst rod is stuck in the hole. Tap it in with a hammer and a punch
     
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  9. Petrosexual

    Petrosexual Member

    l found that and with a little gentle tapping i think it went in about 1/4'', the key ''range of motion'' has returned as in i can feel its positions and the spring loaded start point ...............................however the power remains on and in the ACC mode all the time and in all stages, there is a stereo and gauges in the car so i can see theres zero change in power draw as i go through the ignitions stages.

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  10. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    You need to tap that rod through so you can remove the housing completely. The hole in the housing will need to be sanded to remove the corrosion. That rod needs to move smoothly in that hole.

    You may need to adjust the ignition switch but the first step is to get that housing off and clean up that locking rod
     
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  11. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    If the rod tapped in a 1/4", the housing should of been a 1/4" looser in coming off
     
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  12. Petrosexual

    Petrosexual Member

    Jason! Yay, success, many many thanks.

    l think i can see the problem, that spring shouldnt be like that and that nylon gear assembly is out of sync with the upper and lower metal components ....................

    Can these be realigned & bent back into shape or being that we need a lock cylinder for a tilt column from a proper source
    would it be prudent if available to change them? ls there any other things that should be taken care off ''while we are here..........''

    Cheers!

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  13. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    First things first...you have to locate a new spring. It's held in place by that little black screw which is NOT a Phillips. Ita a pozidriv. You'll need one. Sometimes a screw bit assortment will have it. It'll say "PZ2" on the bit

    Remove the tiny snap ring and tap out the rectangular link thst connects the plastic gear to the lock cylinder. Reposition the plastic gear and replace the link and snap ring.

    Give thst lock rod that was stuck in the housing a wire wheeling and clean up the bore it slides in. Do not grease it! Just a light coat of wd-40.

    Replace your new spring and give it a try. Hopefully all that's broken is the spring.
     
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  14. Petrosexual

    Petrosexual Member

    .........................hows this Jason? lts no longer stuck in ACC, it now cycles through the stages. However lm not sure about the middle 'loop' part of the spring, is it in the proper place?

    Thank you.

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  15. Al_

    Al_ Well-Known Member

    This picture (from an Oldsmobile service manual) should help.

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  16. Petrosexual

    Petrosexual Member

    100% Al, many thanks! Jason cancel my last, please & thank you.
     
  17. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    That spring is not in the correct position!
     
  18. Petrosexual

    Petrosexual Member

    Hey Jason, LMAO, yeah Al & i figured out out it was wrong............................better?

    Cheers!


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  19. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Better!!
     
  20. N360LL

    N360LL milehi71Stage1

    I finished rebuilding the tilt column in the project 71 Riv last week. Mine was removed from the car for a couple of reasons. And I used parts from a donor column to fix all the things that were broken by the last person who was in it. Then I think someone tried to steal the car and failed because they couldn't get the car into neutral.

    The spring isn't in exactly the correct position but that is very close to where it was in my donor column. I had to chase he threads on the bolts and holes that attach the tilt mechanism and I added one more bolt that is called out, 3 versus 4. I also put thread sealer on them and torqued properly. I have not had a GM tilt column work this well in any of my Buick's, Jeep's or Corvette.
     

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