Wow, where can the rest of us get "factory" aluminum intake and exhaust manifolds for a pure stock Hemi?
I think the Hemi Mopar guys are in a tough spot. They are always expected to win, along with the history of the "HEMI" and the bragging rights that goes along with it, how could they lose? o No: Since Greg's car and other Buicks have pretty consistently ruined that fantasy, they get very defensive and probably a bit nervous. I do agree with Greg 1000%, the argument that the Buick would have any kind of advantage is silly. I just hope everyone knows that this will not end the story, and that who ever the winner is, they indeed tried their best, with the car they had. You could run this race everyday for 5 years straight and somebody will come up with something as to why they lost on each individual day. Lets face it.... Buicks are FAST and Hemi Mopar's are also quick as hell. Its a great idea though, good job Dan and Mark...you got plenty of free publicity, and created alot of interest. Maybe more guys will build cars for this type of racing after the results come out. :beer
If the Mopar camp thinks Mark's Hemi is too heavy and slow, maybe they should offer up a virgin-stock, lightweight, 440-powered car to run, too. If that Hemi is at such a disadvantage, the 440 car should beat it easily, proving their point. And if the Buick beats the 440 car, well, that's to be expected, since it's not the revered Hemi. If the 440 beats the Buick, they've really got braggin' rights. Seems like a good way to hedge their bets.
I don`t think anybody was bashing Mark it`s all about the "car" being used. Not one person will disagree the Mopar camp will be putting foward the slowest example of a HEMI car that Chrysler corp ever made. This example will be staged against Buick`s best. I guess that`s kind of cool in a way... After hearing for the 1st time Mark`s got some instrest in winning :TU: I think 1/2 his battle is fought on the Mopar side. The Mopar guy`s just want someone racing who plans on giving this shoot-out an honest effort. Not like that Badie fella.. Here`s a guy who just went out to race a Buick and simply lost. 20 years later his name is being....... Like i`ve said about 4 times now, win or lose on either side I don`t see as a big deal if both guy`s give an honest effort. Good luck to both guy`s... :TU:
I'm no Mopar-phile by any stretch, but wouldn't a Hemi in a Coronet/Charger/GTX be heavier, thus slower? For sure the Daytona/Superbird would be...and let's not forget those overpriced Hemi 'verts...that adds weight...or maybe I'm just the "one person" that's disagreeing! :grin: ------------------------ Hillbilly Racing Team Tired of Autozone's *limited* selection? Then try the Pottery Barn!
The advantage lied in the fact the Buick was allowed a rebuild and the challenger wasn't going to be a rebuild. That is how it was being marketed! If people think the Mopar camp is outline on that issue, which is a major adavntage for the Buick, well, so be it. Good luck to both of you guys doing the racing!
The slowest road test I have ever seen on a HEMI Mopar was a 70 Hemi Challenger loaded to the gills. I believe it was 14.40`s? or 14.10? I`m sure both guy`s will do everybody proud.
At home I have report of a well tuned 4-speed, 4.10 car tested at the track. The car was really tuned in and running extremely well. Stock everything. I'm not sure about the ass-wipe option. :laugh: Consistantly in the mid 13.0's with a best run of 13.40. Car was brought in straight from the dealer after it was delivered from the factory. The car was not a factory ringer car. This is about the best I've heard for a Hemi-Challenger. The book was a "Best of Mopars" or something. I'll have to check.
So make 'em weigh the same .... with driver. :Smarty: If the Challenger is 150# heavier than the Buick .... put a chunk of iron in the Buick's trunk.
OK!...Here is how everyone can win... Ok...Here is how everyone can be happy and be a winner... So...Get a 70 Stage 1 Buick and put in the engine bay a 426 Hemi...then get a 70 Cuda and put in its engine bay a 70 455 Stage 1 engine. Then we all can be first across the finish line and be winners together. Lets see what the other planets out there have to race against our earth cars. Show us what you got aliens! :moonu: Attention ! All planets ... GSX Eric :3gears:
Eric that sounds like a great idea,swap the motors and see if the Buick motor works better with all that torque with leaf springs.That would be a direct comparison,use the same car but trade the motor and transmission,there would be no excuses. Using a Dyno would never solve the problem either,Horse Power and Torque are not the same thing. Mopar guys,atleast your cars can even be considered to run in this Pure Stock Racing, both of my cars are not allowed period, both are considered race cars even if one is just the way it was ordered from the factory and meets every motor vehicle safety feature for the 1964 year.
Maybe they will let you do a couple of exhibition passes against a Thunderbolt and a ZL-1 Vette :blast:
with a hemi I read that thread on Moparts, was that thread about the merits of a hemi, or the availability of an LS6 option. I've got both, can I put my LS6 in my Challenger? :grin: The only person I know with more launches in a stock bodied & rubbered, hemi E-body than me, is Dave D. Dave is correct in pointing out the limitations of a fat-a s s e d Challenger or Cuda body with a hemi up front. With that said, I've also heard Greg point out the limitations of log manifolds at the end of the track with a Buick. If the hemi nails a good 60, he's got it, if not, hello Buford. It'll be fun to watch, anyway.
THE answer It's obvious that both car's are going to have to be certified, with the Mopar camp doing the assembly on the Buick motor, and The Buick camp throwing the big bad Hemi together. Then after both car's are back in one piece, they need to be trailered straight to the track and unloaded in the staging lane's, and ran right then and there. This way nobody's cheating :laugh: And then the other 120+ car's that show up at the Hemi vs. Stage 1 race, can try to have a Pure Stock Drag Race
Trunk? Casey may I request that chunk of iron to be hung off the nose of the Buick? I prefer that to the trunk. I think that would be more fair as Greg pionts out I have heavy valve stems to offset. :grin: I am unbiased of course. By the way Greg I am with Brian great post. :beer Mark
