Race crank prep

Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by hugger, Mar 19, 2023.

  1. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Any one here knife edged or bullnose,...remove casting ridges,... smooth the weight surfaces,..maybe even weight material removal even??
    Doing an aluminum rod combo and looking to not only take some increase longevity but maybe even emphasize the effect of the aluminum rods and remove a few pounds off the crank so it will move that needle quicker

    Being it will have a deep SRE pan the crank won't be in the oil so I wonder how much effect profiling the weights will have
     
  2. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

  3. GS Kubisch

    GS Kubisch THE "CUT-UP" BUICK

    My old 505 had a Moldex billet. Everyone knows they can be heavy.

    Mine was an aluminum rod combo so they took some significant weight off the crank.

    Not so much knife edge or bullnose, just reducing the counter weights on the lathe smoothing the sharp edges.
     
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  4. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron Platinum Level Contributor

    Hugger here’s the factory crank in my stage 2 engine. Nick sent the crank out and had it knife edged and polished, cost $250 in 2014 dollars smooth as chrome. 4F4BA21B-6B83-43DA-8527-7F5E1C53A847.jpeg 8F6271EB-0764-446F-82E9-0DC648272F18.jpeg 89F15C55-F235-423D-A991-199D946D5A5D.jpeg
     
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  5. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    That's what I'm thinking,..more weight removal than anything,...hell just a couple lbs of possible would be huge in terms of response I feel like
     
  6. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    That's a nice looking piece in there,..I'm sure the gains are very minimal if any,..but it's kinda of a when in Rome kinda thing I feel like
     
  7. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    But remove the weight from the wrong area and could really mess the balance up
     
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  8. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    If doing an internal balance like I will ,.. Mallory will be needed regardless so not too worried there
     
  9. standup 69

    standup 69 standup69

    Hugger I think the knife edging etc will help a wee bit with windage however removing weight then putting the weight right back in with Mallory to balance it .. really don't see any additional gains.
    I have done a few aluminum rod engines internal balance they still need Mallory to go internal balance.i have found what's bolted to the back of the crank make more difference..went from a 11 pound flywheel to a 36 pound flywheel that was a real kick in the nuts for killing quick rpm.
     
  10. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    True,... would have to remove a good bit to see and gain over the added Mallory I guess
     
  11. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    What do you guys mean by Mallory will be needed? As my grandson says....Please and Thank you. Mike
     
  12. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Mallory slugs,..dense steel to add weight where you need it,...drill holes in the counter weight and plug them with the heavier Mallory
     
  13. charlierogers

    charlierogers GSX stage 1 4 speed #149

    race engine or street engine? just curious.
     
  14. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Race only,..mayybbee a few cruise in's within a few miles of my shop
     
  15. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    Thanks for the explanation Hugger. Can you get near perfect balance internally with a mostly neutral external balancer? I'm more used to balancing precision external grinding machines but interest in the topic. Are reasonably priced balance machines with degrees and position reports available? Cheers, Mike
     
  16. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    Hi All,
    Any idea what type of balancer this is?

    Thanks in advance.
    Mike
     

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  17. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Looks like the BHJ ie one of if not the best there is,...never had one in my hand but would appear to be external balance
     
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  18. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    The other side of that bhj would hold the answer
     
  19. Todd Borland

    Todd Borland Buicktodd

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  20. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm working on it!

    The Flywheel does seem like the low hanging fruit in this equation. Plus it doesn't mess up the forces internal to the crankshaft(loading/unloading). "balancing" isn't exactly so simple?
     

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