recommendations for a new radiator

Discussion in 'Buick FAQ' started by Gold GS, Jan 22, 2019.

  1. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    OK, here's one for you guys. Current 4 core brass/copper radiator in a 1985 GMC 1 ton tilt rollback with 455 Stage 1 standard bore. As long as I'm moving, not too many issues. Once I stop, temps climb to over 230. Quickly. Would I be better off repairing the current radiator (it is has a small leak) or going to aluminum and what size?
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Brad,

    That sounds like an air flow problem or an ignition timing issue. Do you have a good shroud with the fan placed properly inside of it?

    What is the ignition timing at idle? Are you using vacuum advance and is it on ported or manifold vacuum? What is the timing at cruise RPM.
     
  3. rex362

    rex362 paint clear and drive

    fix the leak...put a heavy duty fan clutch on it and a new 15lb cap...../ unless your on electric fan
     
  4. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    Has shroud, timed per you Larry, vacuum advance, I'd have to check the mark on the balancer to see cruise timing. Zero issues until I stop then climbs quickly. Heavy duty clutch, etc. If I pop the hood, temps drop and stabilize at thermostat rating. I'm thinking flow issue. Just wondering if a less restrictive radiator (id: 2 core aluminum) would be better.
     
  5. telriv

    telriv Founders Club Member

    As you suspect Brad an air flow issue.
     
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  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    See what the timing is when it is idling Brad. If it is low single digits, it will want to heat up. Also check that the vacuum advance is actually working.
     
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  7. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    New water pump, thermostat, hoses belts, etc. radiator back flushed and clean. Radiator has a small leak that’s just weeping a little (started just after the back flush). Would a 2 core aluminum with 1.25” tubes cool that 455 or would I be better off repairing the copper and brass 4 core that I know is somewhat restrictive?

    I’ve always had this issue since we put the combo together, I would just pop the hood. Just looking for ideas now that the radiator is 25 years old and starting to fail. What would you do?
     
  8. rex362

    rex362 paint clear and drive

    where is your temp sensor location that your getting that reading ..

    ....a 2 core aluminum with 1.25” tubes would do you justice over a 25 year old radiator
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Absolutely. That would be the ultimate. A 25 year old brass/copper radiator is almost certainly partially blocked with solder bloom. You can't flush that out.
     
  10. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    Stock location for temp sensor. It’s done this for a long time, like I said since we put it together really, over 25 years ago. I believe the old radiator is just, well, old. When I do it, I’m doing the heater core too. Everything else is fresh in November 2018 for the MCACN trip.
     
  11. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    Also, the total number of tubes counts (pun lol). Vertical tube spacing (and correspondingly fin heigth) will determine how many total tubes can be stacked in a particular core. A radiator with only 3 tubes will not outcool a radiator with 300 tubes (okay extreme examples but you get the point) no matter how thick the tubes
     
  12. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    I should have followed up on this a long time ago. Went with Aluminum 2 core with the 1.25" tubes. I can now idle all day, hood down and it barely reaches thermostat rating. Much more air flow through the radiator and that seems to have solved the issue.
     
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  13. 72gs4spd

    72gs4spd Well-Known Member

    What brand did you go with?
     
  14. Brad Conley

    Brad Conley RIP Staff Member

    Griffin. Works as advertised.
     
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