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Rochester carb jetting?

Discussion in 'The Venerable Q-Jet' started by 69gs400, Mar 20, 2024.

  1. 69gs400

    69gs400 Well-Known Member

    Hey all, looking for a little guidance. The original carb for my '68 Riv is currently being rebuilt. At the same time I'm building a new engine. Engine is a .030 over 455 with TA forged production pistons, notched version advertised at 10:1. Block has been decked .010 and the same taken off the factory iron heads, Felpro head gaskets. Cam is a TA 290-94H , 287/303 and 514/530 at 1.60 according to the cam card but I'll be running 1.55 rockers for now. Edelbrock Performer and shorty headers.

    Do you think I'll be okay with the stock jetting? Is this even something that can be figured out based on the info above?
     
  2. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    Edelbrocks will generally run on about anything, but they are often on the rich side. With headers and cam, you'll probably be close enough to enjoy it but tuning it would make it better.
     
  3. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    You'll need to re-jet the carb. The 430 carb will be too lean. I believe the 430 will have 71 jets and the 455s used 75s. I cant remember the rods though, which might make them net closer. You'll need to do some work.
     
  4. 69gs400

    69gs400 Well-Known Member

    Rochester carb, original to the 430. Edelbrock intake.
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    So 1968 Q-jet for a 430? 7028240? Stock jetting is .070 jets and 43B primary rods. BG secondary rods.

    Rule of thumb is if you go up over 3 primary jet sizes, go up one rod size.

    Or, you could send the carburetor over to Ken Gies (techg8) and let him jet it for you.

    1968QuadrajetSpecs.jpg
     
  6. 69gs400

    69gs400 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that, do you by chance have that same chart for a 70 455?
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes,

    1970QjetSpecs.jpg
     
  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

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  9. 69gs400

    69gs400 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I do have the chassis manuals, didn't even think to look for carb specs.

    I am confused though, based on those charts it looks like the '68 430 had bigger jets than even the '70 Stage 1.
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    There is A LOT more to carburetor calibrations than jets and rods. There are air bleeds and restrictions that play into it. The Quadrajet was individually calibrated for the exact engine it was designed for. That is why you can't just throw ANY Quadrajet on ANY engine and expect it to perform perfectly. That's why the Quadrajet is maligned the way it is. You can't compare 2 Quadrajets like that.

    Read Cliff Ruggle's book if you want to play with them.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rebuild-Modify-Rochester-Quadrajet-Carburetors/dp/1932494189

    Or, send your carburetor to Ken Gies (techg8) and ask him to calibrate it for your application.

    https://www.v8buick.com/index.php?forums/everyday-performance-llc.172/

    https://www.everyday-performance.com/
     
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  11. Canadian GS 350

    Canadian GS 350 Well-Known Member

    If the carb is unmolested, just up one size on the primary jet with the stock primary rods. On the secondary side, make sure choke pull off is not releasing too quickly, have some tension on the air door. I used to run richer rods on the secondary because more fuel must be better? Not always so. A good place to start is a set of CV’s. They have 0.053 tips. Good luck. When Qjet is set up well, they sure perform great. Get your distributor set up to complement your combo as well. You’ll be glad you did.
     
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  12. Cliff R

    Cliff R Well-Known Member

    The biggest mistake folks make in this hobby is to INCREASE jet size or "fatten" up a carburetor for any particular application, larger engine, more powerful engine, etc.

    We do "recalibrate" if/as needed and often add some fuel clear across the load/speed range simply because it takes about 5-7 percent more of this new piss-water gas to do the same thing as older fuel did.

    As for richening up a carb for a new engine build, most if not all of those mods are because we used a larger camshaft and now making LESS vacuum at idle speed and the throttle is cocked open further due to all the overlap the cam has introduced to the scenario.

    In reality, IF we made "improvements" to our engine during the "build", it may actually need leaned up some, not richened up. These "improvements" include higher compression, tighter squish, improved combustion chamber shapes, improved head flow, cam events (improved cylinder filling), induction and exhaust mods, etc. When the engine becomes a better air pump, and VE is improved BSFC goes down allowing it to effectively burn LESS fuel or a leaner A/F ratio for best efficiency and most power.

    So what to do. For sure the carburetor will need idle system improvements for that much camshaft. Stock engine produced a LOT of vacuum at idle and stock carburetors were set up accordingly. Making more idle fuel available also adds fuel at light part throttle as the transfer slots are players in that deal.

    Since the carb is being "built" your "builder" should know these things and be able to install a calibration to get the carb where it needs to be right off the bench, or at least pretty close. That particular cam isn't "huge" in a 455 build with 10 to 1 compression and it's ground on a 112LSA so should idle pretty decent. I'd at most open up the IFR's slightly, stock main jets, and employ the APT system in the baseplate so I could tune part throttle A/F without taking the car apart and changing primary metering rods......
     
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