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  1. tigershark10

    tigershark10 Member

    Hi, this is my first post here. I am a total rookie when it comes to repairing cars. My 18 year old son has purchased a 1970 Buick GS last year. He is off to college and has left the car here at the house. Luckily he left the keys with me and I get to drive it and love it. I need some advice on where to get a repair manual for this car that is in language I understand. I have the shop manual for it but was wondering if there is a manual by Chilton's or Haynes. I have looked on line and it doesn't look like they have anything. I got an online edition from Haynes that is terrible. I need to replace the water pump on it and suspect I have to remove the radiator and fan shroud to get to it. If this is true is this something a newbie could handle? I do a lot of diy building and woodworking but have never gotten into cars, always wanted to, just never did. He is coming home for a few days next week and we would like to tackle this if you think it is something that would be doable for a beginner. I wasn't sure if this is the right forum or not. Thank you all for any help.
     
  2. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

  3. tigershark10

    tigershark10 Member

    Thank you so much for the quick reply.
     
  4. robs71redriv

    robs71redriv robs71redriv

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    1970 Full Line Buick Chassis Service Manual - - GM Corp

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    1970 Fisher Body Service Manual - - GM Corp sent in by Josh Allen

    these are best books you can have goto http://buick-libraries.boattail-riviera-by-buick.com/ to see how to access and/or get pdfs of them.

    wtaer pump straight forward no need to remove rad lossing the shroud will give a bit more room but is not necessary.
    g. Water Pump Repairs
    The water pump cover is die cast' aluminum into which the water pump bearing outer race is shrunk fit. For this reason the cover, shaft bearing, and hub are not replaceable.
    h. Removal of Water Pump
    1. Drain coolant into a clean container.
    2. Loosen belt or belts, then remove fan blade, and pulley or pulleys from hub on water pump shaft.
    Remove be its.
    3. Disconnect hose from water pump inlet and heater hose from nipple. Remove bolts, pump assembly, and gasket from timing chain cover.
    4. Check pump shaft bearings for end play or roughriess in operation. If bearings are not in serviceable condition, ihe assembly must be replaced.
    i. Installation of Water Pump
    1. Make sure the gasket surfaces on pump and timing chain cover are clean. Install pump assembly with new gasket. Bolts must be lightened uniformly.
    2. Connect radiator hose to pump inlet and heater hose to nipple. Fill cooling system and check for leaks at pump and hose joints.
    3. Install fan pulley or pulleys and fan blade, tighten attaching bolts securely. Install bells and adjust for proper tension. See Figure 60-258.

    torques lbs ft
    Timing Chain Cover to Block 29
    Water Pump Cover to Timing Chain Cover 7
    Fan Driven Pulley 20
    Thermostat Housing to Intake Manifold 20
     
  5. Doo Wop

    Doo Wop Where were you in '62?

  6. robs71redriv

    robs71redriv robs71redriv

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    1970 Full Line Buick Chassis Service Manual - - GM Corp

    <center> [​IMG]</center>
    1970 Fisher Body Service Manual - - GM Corp sent in by Josh Allen

    these are best books you can have goto http://buick-libraries.boattail-riviera-by-buick.com/ to see how to access and/or get pdfs of them.

    wtaer pump straight forward no need to remove rad lossing the shroud will give a bit more room but is not necessary.
    g. Water Pump Repairs
    The water pump cover is die cast' aluminum into which the water pump bearing outer race is shrunk fit. For this reason the cover, shaft bearing, and hub are not replaceable.
    h. Removal of Water Pump
    1. Drain coolant into a clean container.
    2. Loosen belt or belts, then remove fan blade, and pulley or pulleys from hub on water pump shaft.
    Remove be its.
    3. Disconnect hose from water pump inlet and heater hose from nipple. Remove bolts, pump assembly, and gasket from timing chain cover.
    4. Check pump shaft bearings for end play or roughriess in operation. If bearings are not in serviceable condition, ihe assembly must be replaced.
    i. Installation of Water Pump
    1. Make sure the gasket surfaces on pump and timing chain cover are clean. Install pump assembly with new gasket. Bolts must be lightened uniformly.
    2. Connect radiator hose to pump inlet and heater hose to nipple. Fill cooling system and check for leaks at pump and hose joints.
    3. Install fan pulley or pulleys and fan blade, tighten attaching bolts securely. Install bells and adjust for proper tension. See Figure 60-258.

    torques lbs ft
    Timing Chain Cover to Block 29
    Water Pump Cover to Timing Chain Cover 7
    Fan Driven Pulley 20
    Thermostat Housing to Intake Manifold 20

    paper copy available here
    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?261105-Very-Nice-1970-Chassis-Manual-all-series
     
  7. ddhathaway

    ddhathaway Platinum Level Contributor

  8. 66BulldogGS

    66BulldogGS Platinum Level Contributor

    GSFred is a great guy. You won't go wrong getting the manual from him.
     
  9. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    No need to remove the radiator for the water pump. I do suggest removing the fan shroud though to make room to work... Find some penatrating oil and spray it on the bolts ahead of time and let it soak in. The brand PB blaster works relly well.... Use a small hammer to tap the bolts a few times before you try to remove them and be patient when removing them as they often break off. Also be sure that your socket set is in good condition and makes a good grip on the bolt or they can strip easily.

    Another tip is the buy a complete gasket kit for the engine, not just a water pump gasket. Eventually you will use most if not all of the gaskets so it is nice to have them on hand.... Also you will notice that some of the bolts need thread sealer on them so be sure to clean the bolts well and seal them when you re-install the waterpump.. I prefer the "right stuff" brand name of sealant for gaskets that need extra sealant, it works great!\

    Oh, and protect the radiator with a peice of cardboard or something so that you do nto damage it while wrenching....

    My final tip is to air down the front tires if you have a compressor to pump them back up.... This makes it easier to reach under the hood from the front....

    Oh and make sure you have adequate lighting, music and beer....
     
  10. tigershark10

    tigershark10 Member

    Thank you so much, your advice really helped. I did snap two of the smaller bolts holding the water pump on. They were very rusty. Any advice on removing those. Removing the shroud really helped. Again thank you for your help. Dave
     
  11. staged70

    staged70 RIP

    Heat with a mapp tank and a set of easy outs. I have had good luck with reverse drill bits PB Blaster and heat take your time.
     
  12. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Worst case if you can not get the old bolts out take the cover to a local machine shop and have them get them out for you...
     
  13. 197064buickspec

    197064buickspec 1964 Special Post-455

    I've taken them out with welding a nut to what's left of the stud. You do have to watch how hot you get it. Worked every time for me.

    You can do this with the timing cover still on the car or take it ll of the way out. Anyother way had taken me forever and not too successfull.
     
  14. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Good point, since the timing cover is still on the car it would be nice to avoid removing it. I have also had good luck with drilling the old bolt out and then using a "helicoil".
     
  15. BUICKRAT

    BUICKRAT Got any treats?

  16. tigershark10

    tigershark10 Member

    Thank you for helping me. I was able to heat them(wife thought I was going to burn the garage down! Made the kids leave!) and back them out with an easy out. One more question and hopefully I will leave you all alone for a while. I am having a hard time finding a replacement set of bolts for the water pump. Do you all have any suggestions? Thanks Dave
     
  17. Doo Wop

    Doo Wop Where were you in '62?

  18. BUICKRAT

    BUICKRAT Got any treats?

    Local hardware store should have the short ones. Maybe the long ones too...Small ones are 1/4 nc, alt bracket bolt is 5/16 nc. Bring the old ones with you to match up the lengths.
     
  19. tigershark10

    tigershark10 Member

    Sweet, thanks so much
     

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