Spark plugs carnage

Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by BQUICK, Sep 15, 2019.

  1. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Anyone know what would cause part of ground strap to break off like this?
    Was running rough and 2 of them were like this. No evidence of melting or detonation. If anything too rich...

    Hopefully pieces shot right out the exhaust....
     

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  2. agetnt9

    agetnt9 Agetnt9 (Dan)

    Bad batch of plugs maybe.
     
  3. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    How long (approximate miles) on those plugs?
     
  4. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Does look very rich, is that an ac telco plug.

    What do the others look like
     
  5. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    The broken ones were black due to missfire. Others look tan color.
    100 or so passes on them. Could the wide gap cause stress on the plugs? I run .050
     
  6. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Only if the gap were wide enough to cause the electrode to contact the piston.
    (very unlikely, but not unpossible)

    Can you -scope the top of the piston?

    Even with the piece bouncing around in there dinging up the top before it (hopefully shot out the tailpipe), you should see a distinct impact mark on both pistons in the same location and depth.
     
  7. dan zepnick

    dan zepnick Well-Known Member

    Likely that it melted off.too hot of plug?? What number is that. Timing ?? Too high.
    Many variables.
     
  8. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    AC 42XLS...cold plug and only running 34 retarding to 30 at 5000 rpm

    Doesn't look melted. I'm thinking need to index plugs maybe 700 passes have loosened things up and piston going higher?

    Looked with scope and piece bounced around, dings on piston.....before it exited.
     
  9. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    That plug crosses to and ngk 7333 heat range 6. I run ngk 7173 on our motor with al heads, it's a heat range 8. That's 2 ranges colder

    I'm guessing to get the gap to .050 gap you had to open that up about .020ish. Which really shouldn't hurt anything.

    The ones I run come in around .031 and I open them to .045
     
  10. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    My theory is that when I gapped them a stress crack formed and then later it broke off....
    Years ago I had NGKs break off at the weld of the ground electrode so I tried to not be as aggressive gapping them. Maybe I need to invest in a really good gapping tool....
     
  11. Mike B in SC

    Mike B in SC Well-Known Member

    Is AC having their plugs made in China now?
     
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  12. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Probably now Mex or China but these I got 20yrs ago....$1.79 for 4 plugs...such a deal
     

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  13. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Think I found the problem....rotor button in distributor cap was completely worn away and rotor was running on surrounding metal...lots of evidence of spark scatter.
    I guess it's good to have a motor last long enough to wear distributor cap out!
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Carbon build up on the richer running cylinders?
     
  15. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    Maybe so....I can't believe it ran a 10.30 129 at US13 on Friday....missing....
    I lose track of how long it has been on parts but that cap and rotor has prob been on the motor since mid 90s.....
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    MSD's usually eventually eat the rotor button in the distributor cap. Every so often, I take the cap off and eyeball it.:)
     
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  17. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    It's cheap insurance I replace my cap rotors and wires about every 3 years and I dont put that many runs a year on
     
  18. Landshark1969

    Landshark1969 1969 GS convertible

    I had the same thing happen last weekend at the track I'm testing this methanol water injection and had two big backfires and broke a plug and a few of the other plugs the gap was almost gone.
     

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