1970 GS 455 Bypass Hose and Clamps

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  1. Ron T

    Ron T Member

    I was told at a recent show that the bypass hose on my 70 GS 455 should have a Wire Clamp on the end closest to the thermostat, and not a Wittek or Tower style hose clamp. Can anyone tell me where to get the correct Wire Clamp, that would have enough strength to seal the bypass hose correctly, and what size it should be? Also, where can I get the correct bypass hose, with correct markings, if any? Thank you, Ron
     
  2. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Ron,

    You need these clamps.

    Check the big cabinet at your local hardware store for starters. Early ones were green and I believe the black ones came later.

    I'll measure it later when I get home. The correct size might make your hunt a little easier but those are the ones you'd need.

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  3. BUQUICK

    BUQUICK I'm your huckleberry.

    Brett is correct that it's not a wire clamp, it's a large squeeze clamp. The originals were black and had squared ends on the ears vs the rounded ears on the new ones that are more finger-friendly. Otherwise the same.

    We've had mixed success with them sealing. Sometimes they leak, sometimes they don't. For cars we drive, we don't use them. For a show-only trailer queen then the squeeze clamps are used. Good luck.
     
  4. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Gary,

    Isn't there a sealant I read about called Indian something that you'd swab around the inside of the hose and it would help with curbing leaks?
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD"

  6. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Also they won’t leak if you use the correct size. 15/16” is what you want. As Brett said they were green although originals may have been black but got over sprayed red at engine plant. Now apparently they have gone back to black. I think the problem with leaking is guys are using the 1” also black. The 15/16” and 1” blacks are right next to each other in the drawers at the Hardware store. Ace Hardware is your best bet. Make sure the 1” size did not spill over into the 15/16 slot. That could be the issue. Easy to mix up or some went right to 1” causing leaks.
     
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  7. Ron T

    Ron T Member

    Thank you guys for all this information. I actually have the clamp in the picture. The one I have is black, and measures about 7/8". It's a 1" hose, so that should be the correct one.
    Did the bypass hose have any markings/stampings on it originally, or was it just plain black?
     
  8. Ron T

    Ron T Member

    Mine could actually be 15/16", I didn't check exactly, I just know it was slightly less than 1".
     
  9. Duane

    Duane Member

    I don't know if the hoses had any markings on them but both the hose and clamps were installed on the motor before they were painted so they should be painted red.
    Duane
     
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  10. Ron T

    Ron T Member

    Thanks Duane! I will make sure it is correct.
    Ron
     
  11. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    So, the clamps are red? :D:D:D
     
  12. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    I dare you guys to paint the bypass hose red.
     
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  13. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    I am sure the hoses had a part number stamped on them but someone would need to come up with an original. My guess there were several style stamps like the radiator hoses.
     
  14. mrolds69

    mrolds69 "The Cure"

    These things have been on my Olds heater hoses for close to 20 years, no sealer, and they don't leak. Been on my 70 GS for 5-6 years, same deal. Like Dave said, you have to have the exact right size. At one point, you could go by color but not now. I have seen 2 differently marked NOS hoses, one with 2 yellow stripes and one with a #. As Duane mentioned, they were engine color (including the clamps). Olds, Chevy, and others did the same thing. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the spray, and over-spray look on engine parts. I've never seen anybody in the BCA, the OCA, or whatever...dock for natural parts. It's like painting your brandy new gas tank or Gardner exhaust black. But, it's your car Ron, so do what you like. But if you do that, then you better get your grinder out and grind the tangs square, too. Because somebody will notice that. Then...if you ever have to work around those clamps again, be prepared to suffer some slices in your fingertips. That's IF you can get them on w/o slicing your fingertips!
     
  15. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    3F2199D7-DDAA-4BA2-8D84-963DB82975FE.jpeg ID of 15/16 clamp is a hair under 7/8” the 15/16” is probably installed ID.
     
  16. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    42B8763F-FB0E-476E-A093-C14A748565BF.jpeg View attachment 430506 You mean like this Frank? This is an original air cleaner hose clamp with Cut Me tangs. Interesting ID on this is 15/16” but it is the 1 inch size. The air cleaner clamp is the toughest to get on I think.
     
  17. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    Originals and later made also have a U inside a diamond stamped in them. The stamp can be weak on the new ones though. May need a magnifying glass on the new but it’s there.
     
  18. Duane

    Duane Member

    "So, the clamps are red?"
    Yep just like the hose.

    The bottom half of the distributor vacuum tank, and of the distributor, was also red on the 70-72 cars, and I think for 69 as well. 68 distributors were not painted.

    PS.
    All original band clamps had pointed ends regardless of the size.

    Of course that is if you really want to get crazy.:D
    Duane
     
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  19. copperheadgs1

    copperheadgs1 copperheadgs1

    54E83019-E955-4C5D-BFBB-8E1A080BE098.jpeg You mean like this.
     
  20. Ken Mild

    Ken Mild King of 18 Year Resto's

    I just couldn't bring myself to do that. :D
     
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