I cant shoot BC/CC or Urethane because I dont have fresh air supply or safe place to shoot it. I dont have 5 grand to pay some other guy to do it. I dont like Enamel. I like Lacquer but everyone says its obsolete and not the same formula as it was back in the day. What about these new fangled water based automotive paints. They are supposed to be so great, safe to shoot, non toxic, easy clean up , not bad for environment. Anyone here ever shoot these, have experience with them? I try to be open minded but I noticed that any product termed "green" or "non toxic" doesnt seem to work very well. Although Northwoods Fireball Citrus Spray does work well and I think its eco friendly but I digress slightly.
There is a paintshop in Winter Park, FL called Phillips Automotive Paint & Body that shoots water based paints. The owner is Mike Phillips. If you can't find his number online PM me and I'll give it to you. I've been dealing with this shop for 25+ years and they do top notch work. He might let you pick his brain a bit.
I would check with a high end car dealership in your area. Most Mercedes and BMW if memory serves are painted with this paint so the repairs should be too
I don't know how far technology has came in the last 2 years, but when doing collision work with water based paint, there was no way to clear coat it like the factory. They were still using normal clear coat.
thats my understanding as well they still use the same clear as before. Research it and decide what you want to do
isnt the clear coat where all the cyanide is? did they ever use clear acrylic lacquer for clear coat?
From everything that I have seen...water base needs more fresh air flow than base/clear and special technique to get it to flash between coats
Hi guys i have been a painter and body man for over 25 yrs ...any questions please ask ill try my best to help.. .as for waterbourne paints they use a heated or warm air passing over it to help it cure ,the paint itself isnt that hard to shoot ,bit difference as the second coat you actually have to back off from the panel you are shooting,slightly different technique ...but as said the clear coats are still solvent based and require a catalyst or hardener to kick off also as a side note waterbourne or waterbased ...is quite a bit more cost wise than a solvent base/clear paint of the same color hope this helps somewhat
A Hobbyair supplied air system starts at about $400. Not too significant considering the total cost of paint and supplies. You would then just need a place to shoot it. http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/...e_Code=ABS&Product_Code=HB01&Category_Code=HP Autobodystore also has a fantastic forum, check it out.
There is no need for anyone to spray Waterborne on any of there cars! And further more Any body shop to ever spray water borne! Only if the state makes you! Compliaince law. If you or anyone that wants to paint your car with water is asking for trouble! ( Unless you are a shop or painter that's been using water and TRAINED in water. I have been spraying DuPont / Spies Hecker water for 3-4 years it's awesome! And extremely easy. But that's because I was taught! Buy a GOOD teacher who knew the product! DuPont sold to Axxalta. Huge conglomerate! Because it is hands down! The best water developed! I know because PPG just left my shop to do a DEMO! They crashed in burned! Big time! With DuPont water you put (1) coat of color (base) down. That is it! With a dust coat on after. With the gun held back2ft. further. like the gentleman said in the last post. PPG will take 5-6 coats. Yellow 8-9 same with reds. With 15 min dry time in between coats. That would be an hour for each car not counting on clear coat time! Spies Hecker only takes one coat of clear too. so it is a true production paint. And was very imbarrassed for PPG! They have a good following.
I just finished a total resto paint job on a 69 Chevelle and used solvent. Because the guy had $50,000 tied up in the job. that was the bill. So I had to make sure the paint was dead balls on. From original lacquer and the solvent was on. I did a spray out card in water. and it did not match. Because they just worry and spend money on paint match for new cars in water. not old formulas. old cars.
Water borne not safe. I have been painting for 35 years and breathed a lot of paint . Auto paint and primer will eventually break down in you lungs. When you breathe in water borne. to much. IF they were to dig you up out of the ground 20 yrs from now ther would be (2) piles of latex still laying there were your lungs would have been. It never breaks down!
Well said! I say to heck with the tree huggers which. Ever neighbours' complaining most is where you dump the remembrance of your base/clear and solvent to clean your guns
I'm still trying to wrap my head around a 50K paint job:shock: I think we all will be going to the barn fresh look soon!
Sorry did not mention. The car had a 427 in it lost control of car. spun out in parking lot (gravel) And slammed into a parked Audi TT. and pushed that car into a building.
Yes After fixing the collision damage and all new sheet metal / frame repair. (45.00) hr. typical rate. But when the owner wanted the rest of the car painted to match the new repair. 30 yr old paint job. We had to strip old paint off. reprime block car then that half of job had to be (80.00) hr. And this car was nice before the wreck. So his expectations were high. hence the high price tag. lots of hours. He was very happy / And the bill.
