Bondo over Filler

Discussion in 'Color is everything!' started by Marvin's65, Mar 1, 2006.

  1. Marvin's65

    Marvin's65 In progress :|

    What is better to use?
    Does it depend on the crack? hole? chip?

    Thanks for any info

    :TU:
     
  2. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    Call me silly, but I thought they were the same. :Do No:
     
  3. xtremepaint

    xtremepaint Mustang guy

    "Bondo" has become a generic term used to describe body filler. It's a name brand of a body filler, but many other brands have way exceeded their quality. I like Evercoat myself, Z-grip is good for the price, and I have found nothing better than Marson platinum plus for light filling. Best pollyester putty for finishing I have ever used is evercoat glaze. I tried evercoat rage, but it seems to be no better than Z-grip. Marson platinum plus is so nice, I only go over it with the glaze if the glaze will extend to a painted surface. You most likely wont want the glaze if you are stripping the car, but it's great for newer cars. (Adheres to paint)
     
  4. Marvin's65

    Marvin's65 In progress :|

    i thought that bondo was for a bigger job and filler is for smaller dents or small scratches.
     
  5. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    I forget the name of it, I think it's called glazing putty. It's used for small scratches and such. The stuff I've used in the past is green.

    And then there is a high solid (or high fill?) primer that is used for filling smaller scratches. I've never used it so I'm not familiar with it.

    I guess the order would be, from big dent to small scratch;

    Sheet metal replacement! :grin:
    hammer and dolly
    filler (or lead)
    glazing putty (or whatever it's called)
    high fill primer
    Muliple coats of paint and wet sanding
     
  6. GSXMEN

    GSXMEN Got Jesus?

    Alan - Glaze is old school. Everybody I know uses Icing. Easy to use, sands good, and most importantly - doesn't shrink back like glaze does.

    As for 'bondo', the real brand or otherwise......if you're filling over a welded panel - DO NOT use Bondo(or other). You need to use a product like MarGlass or similar. There is something about Bondo that doesn't play nice with the byproducts of a weld. It will bubble up in no time. Nobody wants that!! :blast:
     
  7. alan

    alan High-tech Dinosaur

    Cool. :TU:

    It's been a while since I did any bodywork, but the time is coming to get back into it again!
     
  8. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Is Evercoat Kitty Hair the same thing as Marglass?
     
  9. MARTINSR

    MARTINSR Well-Known Member

    I am not sure if Marglass and Kitty Hair are the same exactly, but they are both "fiberglass strand reinforced" fillers. There are very short hair reinforced fillers like "Everglass", then longer strand like "Kitty Hair" and then even longer (very hard to work with, it is like an atomic hair ball) "Tiger Hair", all by Evercoat. Then there is the new tech reinforced "Fibertech" by Evercoat with Carbon fiber strands.

    Brian

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    "Basics of bondo types

    "Regular" polyester body filler, and polyester "putty" is basically the same thing. They are both, you guessed it "Polyester" based. Polyester is what fiberglass is made of. The fillers have talc and some other components that give it "body", that is the basic difference between fiberglass resin and polyester body fillers.
    The Putties have a finer ground talc than "regular" filler. They cost MUCH more, but are well worth it for skim coats and minor repairs. Being they are polyester they use a hardener and CURE like fiberglass.
    The old "spot putties" DO NOT use a hardener and are simply lacquer primer . They are JUNK and should not be used.

    Some examples of these products are as follows.

    Reinforced polyester fillers:
    These can be aluminum filled body filler for metal surfaces. I is very hard to sand and not good for the finish work (needs a skim coat of a reg filler or polyester putty) but will fill much more per coat reg filler and has more corrosion resistance.
    A Fiberglass reinforced filler is similar.

    Examples are:
    Evercoats Metal-2-Metal, Everglass, Kitty Hair, Tiger Hair
    3Ms 05815 Short stand filler, 05813 Long strand filler.


    "Regular" polyester body fillers:
    Evercoats RAGE or "Lite weight" and others.
    3M's Lightweight body filler #058001

    Polyester putties:
    Evercoat's "Polyester glazing putty", "Easy sand" and others.
    3M's "Flowable finishing putty"#05824 or "Piranha"#05821 .

    "Spot putty" (junk, not recommended) Usually found in a toothpaste tube looking container.
    Evercoat's "Ever-glaze" #403
    3M's "Acryl-green" red or blue #05960,05964,05966
    Duponts 2286S, PPGs DFL17

    I personally recommend Evercoat products.
     
  10. GSXER

    GSXER Well-Known Member

    I use the Rage stuff personally..best for sanding with minimum clogging of sand paper you can buy Bondo brand plastic filler but its not usually stocked in professional body supply shops. You can find the way over priced bondo usaully in Autozone Pep boy type of joints. Just dont use fiberglass stuff on metal...it tends to pop off in sheets.
     
  11. 65specialconver

    65specialconver kennedy-bell MIA

    gettin er done

    how about "kromate light"?i just used chem-strip today on my hood,still have to sand it.hood has ABSOLUTELLY NO FILLER!
    i think i should do a skim coat just for hi-low spots.is this product recomended by you guys "in-the-know"?can this also be applied over primer like the marson platinum plus claims?
     

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