Ford and VW invest “BIG” in self driving technology

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by scubasteve455, Jul 12, 2019 at 9:04 PM.

  1. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    Adco AI Electric. Pgh. Big announcement today. VW will join Ford in this self driving technology.
    Ford invested Big time in electric truck industry in Europe. Electric tractor trailers. Man technology is happening at a fast pace now. engines and oil will be a distant memories some day.
    Gotta love all this HI -Tech corporations forming in an old coal and steel town.
     
  2. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Technology is ruining humans.
    One day, a human is not going to be needed for much, other than just exist, so whats the point in existing:rolleyes:
    You can see how technology is already making humans stupid, and irresponsible. Auto headlights, rain sense wipers, lane change warning, back up sensors, back up cameras, anti lock brakes, automatic braking, drive by wire.
    The ECM and BCM is so intrusive, people think they don't have to think anymore.
    I don't see much of a future for intelligent humans, just idiots:cool:
     
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  3. turbotimmer

    turbotimmer Stage 1 4 speed

    My thoughts exactly, Mark. Car manufacturers lost me a long time ago when they decided to build bland, 4 door, cookie cutter automobiles. Now with all the automatic features and technology, it’s way worse.
     
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  4. Weisguy184

    Weisguy184 Well-Known Member

    GM is the current leader in self driving technology. The super cruise on the Cadillac CT6 is light years ahead of anything Ford or VW currently have. They were left with no other good options but to buy up the technology that they were woefully behind GM and other manufacturers like Tesla.
     
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  5. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    It is actually written in stone that they want to get rid of about 95% of the worlds population;

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    Maybe they want to replace us with automation?
     
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  6. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    I’m actually glad I was born in 1965, future generations from now are going to be doing archeological digs and finding all our stuff and scratching their heads wondering “ what is this, what did these people do, OMG they had to actually do all this by hand, and THINK, how barbaric, we don’t have to do any of that”
    Kinda like the paramids, WE still wonder, ponder, look in awe as to HOW did they did that. Today we would use heavy equipment, geez, I just answered my own question, were repeating history o_O
     
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  7. Briz

    Briz Platinum Level Contributor

    How far are we from Skynet?
     
  8. faster

    faster Well-Known Member

    I hate nanny vehicles!

    I work in tech. The glitches program errors and mostly the expense will kill many people. The problem is we can't afford tech because it has to be built with low bid and to make it affordable we leave out some feedback to the ecm so it makes decisions based on an algorithm not actuality so there will be allowable error.

    Mikey
     
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  9. faster

    faster Well-Known Member

    Using machines to be LE's of humans is probably not that far away. Allowing them to be judge, jury and executioner of justice is where I don't believe we can ever go as they have no ability to understand and you can't write an algorithm for that.

    Mikey
     
  10. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    Mark Ditto 1965
     
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  11. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    Explains why we own Buick Muscle. When i was 12 ride my bike down to the Quarter car wash . And watch the teenagers with their Cars jacked up with Air shocksGlass packs. And Too wide Pro trac tires
     
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  12. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    I don't know anything about GM's "super cruise", but between GM and Chrysler, they have it pretty well covered. Chrysler's lane sensing system does a great job of keeping the vehicle (in our case a 2018 Pacifica) in the proper lane. We recently rented a Lincoln MKT (as I recall) with Ford's distance-sensing cruise control that worked flawlessly and would even apply the brakes in necessary. In fact the cruise control was about the only thing that we liked about the Lincoln.
    I will guarantee you that if the ancient Egyptians had a couple of Caterpillar bulldozers and a crane or two that they would have used them. Technology is making the world better, not worse. Many of the well-paying but mind-numbing assembly jobs are being handled by robots now, and that is as it should be. In the late '80s I would take my class of auto tech students on a tour of the GM assembly plant in Framingham, MA. The employees for the most part loved their paychecks and hated their jobs. When we got back to school we always had a follow-up discussion about what we had seen. In those days $25 per hour was big money, yet in about five years of doing those tours I never had a student when asked, answer that he or she would want to work there. Neither would I. I'd rather be the guy that maintained and repaired the robots. And I'll bet that it would pay better.
     
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  13. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Technology is black or white, cut and dry, on or off, it doesn't, and cant take into account for extenuating circumstances, gray areas, and has NO ability to think or reason, it only can respond to what has been programmed in.
    Take for example, you call customer service for an issue, you get automated prompts, " press 1 for checking, 2 for savings, 3 for mortage, 4 if your constipated"
    I WANT TO TALK TO A HUMAN!!!
    A lot of business/financial websites have NO numbers to dial for questions, just e-mail which you'll NEVER get a reply.
    I went back to writing checks and using stamps, envelopes, and my return address stamp. No more authorization for the bank to pay out automatically debts due on a certain date, too automated, cut and dry, black and white, theres ALWAYS going to be extenuating circumstances that a machine doesn't understand.
    Technology is great when used properly, but some of it is way too hands off, I like to have control over certain things, I like to use my brain, or try too:p
     
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  14. pbr400

    pbr400 68GS400

    I wonder if self driving cars will turn left out of a parking lot on to a busy road? That’s an action I see people struggle with; the calculations and judgement (sometimes combined with people waving or flashing lights to allow it) seem too much for a computer. What if you’re behind it?
    Patrick
     
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  15. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    LOL, I think the same thing, self driving yes, as long as the road is uncrowded, there aren't any other dick bags on the road, EVERYTHING has to be cut and dry, black and white, NO VARIABLESo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O
    Now, what about pedestrians, motorcycles, dogs, squirrels, DEER, rabbits. rain, snow, ice, fog, right turn, left turn, parking.
    How about accident fault, will it ALWAYS be the humans fault if it hits a self driving car, or the occupants fault of the self driving car, OR the manufacturer's fault??
    It is true, the new cars have absolutely NOTHING going for them, GMC for example, a tailgate that opens 15 different ways:rolleyes:
    Hey GM, figure out how to get your E-coat and primers to stick to the bare steel, maybe your trucks wont start rusting in 2 years
    Tell us about hp and tq, posi, towing capacity, cornering g's, 0-60, quarter mile times, 4wd, 2wd, awd.
    Oh that's right, todays buyer only wants to know how many device's they can plug in, that draws attention away from how shitty the vehicle is:p:p:p:p:p
     
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  16. 1973gs

    1973gs Well-Known Member

    Cars started going down hill when they switched from 8 track to cassette.:)
     
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  17. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    Technology is what has brought us here, and it will carry us into the future. The bemoaning and lack of self-awareness from Luddites gets annoying sometimes.
     
  18. 1973gs

    1973gs Well-Known Member

    Even if gasoline is still available forty or fifty years from now, will there be anybody around that will know how to drive a pre 2000 vehicle?:( Heck, people probably won't even be able to get in a car. They'll be standing outside of the vehicle wondering why the door won't unlock when they walk up to it. They won't know what a key is.
     
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  19. BennyK81

    BennyK81 Well-Known Member

    I have to disagree...40 years ago one could have said that as well about new Cadillacs. They already had Twilight Sentinel, Auto Headlights, self levelling rear shocks.
    I love all my electronic stuff in my wives daily driver and my company cars. If you have ever driven a car with adaptive cruise control you won't go back.
    I am born 1981 but i grew up in GM cars in switzerland. My first daily driver was a 81 Regal Somerset and about the only thing I hated about it was the wiper. It's ust annoying to regulate it all the time. Auto wipers work like a charm.
    Back up cameras and top view cameras are great as well...help you check the surroundings especially when you have small animals and children around.
    Whats wrong with anti lock brakes? You just cannot compensate that with human skill.

    It has nothing to to with beeing stupid or lack of intelligence if you use and like those systems. I have to agree that you have tu use those systems responsibly.

    I am however critical of self driving cars. they will come and work but only if driving on their own laneswhere no manual driven vehicles drive.

    I have to add that I work at a dealership that sells SEAT, VW, Mitsubishi and Suzuki. You cannot compare the assistants on the japanese cars with those of the VW company cars. The japanese ones are inferior in every way.
     
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  20. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    LMAO:p:p
     

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