hei for a 300?

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by tbair, Jul 22, 2003.

  1. tbair

    tbair Well-Known Member

    hey everybody, Im looking to get rid of my old points.Ive tryed the protronics on my last car and it ran great but Ive seen some other people say they have had some problems. Is there any other opions for the little 300. MSD list a pro billet dist. anyone tried it. thanks Tim.
     
  2. IgnitionMan

    IgnitionMan Guest

    Do you wish a nice small body diameter HEI conversion or a large coil-in-cap junker?

    To fit the large in-cap coil'd HEI nightmare into that engine, you will have to cut the upper square lug off the end of the head, cut the driver's side front bolt boss down on the manifold and use a V6 torx drive manifold screw for that bulbous pile to fit. Hack away.

    Small body HEI fits same as stock points dist does, no muss, no fuss.
     
  3. tbair

    tbair Well-Known Member

    Ignition man, I would like a small hei. a external coil in the orginal loction would be ideal. do you know what will work? are you making them? I ask this question only because of your member name. Thanks Tim.
     
  4. YellowLark

    YellowLark Well-Known Member

    I have the complete MSD product line for my 340's ignition.

    That includes the billet distributor, the coil, the 6A box, the HEI-style cap, and the spark and coil wires.

    Probably not the cheapest way, but I am very happy with the performance.

    The distributor is for the 300/340/350 Buicks.
     
  5. Floydsbuick

    Floydsbuick Well-Known Member

    Ignition man,

    I recall seeing small body HEIs with seperate coil on small block Chevys, like my friends 92 Camaro. But I never saw a Buick version. Are you making new distributors from scratch or modifying old ones? And why do you call the coil-in-cap unit a junker? Does simply having a seperate coil make more power?
     
  6. tbair

    tbair Well-Known Member

    yellow lark, thanks for your reply. what was the total cost on the msd set up. my motor is a stock 300/4 barrel motor. Im just looking for reliablity. I also noticed you have a 200r-4 in your car what did you get it out of? Is it a direct bolt up.Im turning the car into a custom and plan on driving the car on the power tour next year.texas to reno nevada. OD would be nice. Thanks Tim.:TU:
     

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  7. YellowLark

    YellowLark Well-Known Member

    I bought the MSD stuff in 2000, so I no longer have the costs available. Think that it was about $600-$700. Bought from local speed shop that matched JEG'S catalog prices.

    The 200-4R was a bolt-in job. The process in shown in fine detail in the August 2000 issue of Hot Rod magazine. They will sell you a download of the article from their website.

    In the past two years, I have changed interests from cars to boats, so YellowLark, in all its restored glory, sits unused in my garage. I have only had it on the road once this year. Shame.

    Accordingly, the 200-4R has had little use. But, I believe that it increased mileage from 13 to 19 from what I remember.

    Good Luck.
     
  8. IgnitionMan

    IgnitionMan Guest

    I convert the stock points distributors to HEI, using a remote oil filled coil. I just got done with one about an hour ago for a 455 for Dave Reber.

    To get one from me, you have to send me a distributor. Costs for an HEI conversion and the correct NAPA IC12 coil are just at $205.00. Options include MSD HEI terminal cap, Crane adjustable vacuum advance, both would raise the total price by $25.00 for a total of $230.00. New bushings, cap, rotor, stock vacuum advance, distributor electronics are installed in the build, along with setting the end play, mechanical and vacuum advacne curves, spark testing the unit before it leaves here.

    I can also build the dist with no module, and since I use MSD magnetic pickups, would make the dist, for all intents and puposes, an MSD trigger only conversion, for use with any and all MSD units.

    Large cap HEI is just what I called it, junker, as they have weakest magnetic pickup of all the electronic systems, mechanical advance mechanisms that are just plain hard to get dialed in, unless you have a 375 center plate, and 41 weights, and the epoxy filled coil is the best rev limiter an ignition system can have, and the biggest pile of dung a distributor has ever seen.

    The in-cap epoxy filled coils, both stock and aftermarket, are heat retainers, and do wonderful things like layer short after maintaining nuclear heat within themselves, which in turn, takes the modules out, and you will not find this problem until you change the coil in utter despiration, because everybody knows, it can't be the coil, it's those pesky, unreliable modules, don't you know.

    And, everybody knows, the HEI is fully maintenance free, never needs anything, that's why I have seen so many of them with weight pins that are almost worn all the way through, well past the nylon weight bushings, weights and weight slide pads that are worn angled from no oil, ever, mainshafts and bushings worn completely out, center plate holders that have come loose from the center shaft, and lots of other stuff that happens when nobody ever puts a drop of oil in places it really needs to be, because everybody knows, an HEI is fully maintenance free!!!!!

    Nope, no large cap HEI for me, small body HEI for me, thanks. No need to hack, bash and slash to make an HEI fit, either, since the small body HEI is built on a stock points style distributor, which is what came out of there in the first place.
     
  9. tbair

    tbair Well-Known Member

    Thanks Ignitionman, Can I get a address to send my dist.I go for the full option. Just let me know when you want it. Thanks Tim:TU:
     

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