help needed ASAP!...bad

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by buickman71, Jun 7, 2005.

  1. buickman71

    buickman71 da RED BEAST!

    hi guys, i had just put on my rear high coil springs to lift my butt end a lil due to tire rubbing....BUT my drivshaft is at in angle with my rear end...the diff. is pinting a tad towards the front end...and the tech said bacuase of the lift...my upper arms..dont know what they are called(trailing,control?) they are too short and have to be pulled a lil...now the drivshatf is having to point a lil down now :ball:

    now do i need to replace them with adjustable ones or is it safe to drive
    again I NEED HELP ASAP CAUSE ITS SITTING WAITING ON MY ANSWER TO THIS :Do No:

    thanks again

    kyle
     
  2. 462CID

    462CID Buick newbie since '89

    if there is any question if it's safe, the answer is 'no'
     
  3. buickman71

    buickman71 da RED BEAST!

    ok

    not safe...but drivable..i nned to get it out...and save up for upper arms so......thats my question

    kyle
     
  4. 462CID

    462CID Buick newbie since '89

    Read what you posted...

    "not safe...but driveable"

    Don't fool yourself, you already know you shouldn't drive it if there's a question of safety.
     
  5. sailbrd

    sailbrd Well-Known Member

    It sounds like you have a pinion angle problem. This will couse long term problems with your universal joints for sure. Except for handling this should not be a short term safety problem at least for casual driving. There are three ways to fix the problem, not jack up the rear end, put in adjustable upper control arms, or put in adjustable lower control arms. General rule of thumb is not go more than 1 inch difference in ride heights between the front and rear of the car.
     
  6. John Eberly

    John Eberly Well-Known Member

    Don't race the car

    There's a recent thread showing what can happen when you beat on your car with messed up pinion angle. Like break the transmission into a couple of pieces.

    Don't be a hillbilly - fix it right. Maybe smaller tires or wheels with the correct backspacing are a better way to go. Jacking up the rear to make room for big tires that are supposed to do what, make you car faster? And then having the jacked up rear cause driveline problems - making your car slower, or unsafe - this sounds like a lot of monkey motion for negative results.
     
  7. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    :grin: My 69 Riv rolled off the assembly line with an adjustable upper control arm (it only has one upper, btw). Slamming da Riv into the weeds was easy! :laugh:
     
  8. buickman71

    buickman71 da RED BEAST!

    damn

    i was kinda expectig this....but im not made of money..its already installed...so i have nuttin to do...my only option is too drive it home...then save up for upper arms...one thing after the next....so in the end...i cant even drive the car if i driving like a granny?......

    kyle
     
  9. frtlnrbuick

    frtlnrbuick Midwest Mafia

    Is it stock??

    As I read this I have to ask: How high is it? If it is lifted just enough to clear the tires, the control arms are stock, the bushings are stock and the rear end is stock (or a direct replacement for any). Then the vehicle should be OK to drive. The rear axle will rotate with the travel in the suspension, but, this is why we have universal joints. :TU: The joint is able to work in all the conceivable (normal) operating conditions the rear end might encounter in normal driving, like bumps and such.

    I see no reason to panic, unless the tech feels the angularity is severe enough to put the joint in a bind. If you just raised the rear with new springs because the old ones were sagging, you probably just put the car back to its normal ride height.

    The thing to be most aware of is the angular relationship of the pinion to the output shaft of the trans. These should be in close alignment, by close I mean 2 to 3 degrees. If the angle of the shaft to the pinion is 3 to 4 degrees and the angle of the shaft to the output of the trans is 3 to 4 degrees and the output shaft and the pinion are parallel, there should be no problem. If the angles are 3 to 4 degrees outside this you should still be safe driving home, but, as someone else said, don't race it until it's fixed.

    Again, if you just raised a stock rear end, it should work fine. :TU:

    Since I can't look at this, don't take my word for it, ask the tech what he thinks. If he can't explain his concerns to your satisfaction, consult someone else (knowledgeable) that can look at it.

    Good luck

    Jim
     
  10. buickman71

    buickman71 da RED BEAST!

    ok

    no wi bought high lift coil springs made for bigger tires...it rasied it about 2-3inches at most....the shaft is strr8 all the way form the trans untill it hits the yoke at the diff...slight angle

    kyle
     
  11. speed70

    speed70 Henderson Driveline, Grafton OH

    Sounds about right. Pinion angle is always down at rest. It rises when your on the gas. I've personally run tall springs and even air shocks on many a car years ago, (when the "stink bug" stance was cool) so unless you're severly topped out personally I wouldn't worry. You know when you're too high when several friends have to push down on the car so you can put the lower shock bolts back in! Besides a few dead know-it-alls in the trunk should cure your worries! :laugh: Just my .02
     
  12. buickman71

    buickman71 da RED BEAST!

    thanks

    tim u r the man...u have relieved some of my pain...its not the high..i can fit 4 fingers lossley between tire and well vertically...so i guess i shouldnt be worried that much right?

    kyle
     
  13. speed70

    speed70 Henderson Driveline, Grafton OH

    Correct :TU:
     
  14. buickman71

    buickman71 da RED BEAST!

    last question..tim or anybody.....is there something that i should look for when im driving to make sure that it isnt hurting..like a sqeaking or someting..i take it if it drives normal im ok.....thanks again guys...... :beer :3gears:

    kyle
     

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