How much slack should a timing chain have ?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Timonator, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    The 1112542.

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    I've tried all of the springs in the kit. I can't see either timing mark with any of them. I tried retarding the timing by turning the distributor clockwise and turning up the idle. :confused: No luck.
     
  2. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Do you have a dial back timing light?
     
  3. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    On that link it says HEI, but mine is points.
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    Look again at the linked chart, at the part number. It is a points distributor. Std. mean points. They offered both in 1974. Do you have a dial back timing light.
     
  5. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    No my timing light is not dial back. I did mark the balancer with a 30* mark. When I have it running with the siver springs in there both marks are on the other side of the timing cover.
     
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Something is very wrong then. If the 30* mark is under the water pump pulley or further, the timing is very far advanced. What happens when you turn the distributor clock wise? Can you get the 30* mark back to the timing tab, or does the engine refuse to run like that?
     
  7. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    The engine will die. It refuses to run like that.
     
  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    If you are absolutely sure that that your balancer hasn't slipped, and that you correctly marked a 30* line, then the only time I have seen this happen is when there is a vacuum leak into the lifter valley from an intake manifold that isn't fitting right. That can happen if the block/heads were milled enough to affect port alignment. This is a mystery engine, and there is no telling it's history.
     
  9. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    Yea, but with the stock springs in the distributor it was pretty close. I had 10-12 initial and close to 30 by 2500. It didn't need much more, I would think ?
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Tim,
    You have to be mistaken. That makes absolutely no sense to me. If the 30* mark is under the water pump pulley, you have about 60* of timing. What your telling me is that changing springs changes you timing by 50* No way that happens.
     
  11. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    It did, the only other thing I did was install that brass bushing.
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    I don't know what to tell you then. Like I said, that makes no sense to me at all. Springs and a bushing don't make that kind of a difference.
     
  13. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    Tomorrow. I'm going to remove the bushing and put the stock springs back in. Maybe the mr gasket springs are really really weak. I can't tell the difference by pulling on them.
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Even if the springs are too weak, there is only a maximum of 28* of timing in that distributor.
     
  15. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    Idk, like I said. I'm changing it back tomorrow and starting over.
     
  16. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    I put it back to the way it was originally and I still have the problem with the timing marks under the balancer. I don't know wtf happened. I marked the dist to timing cover before I took it apart. After I reassembled it I lined it up exactly and checked it with the timing light. When I took it for a ride I wasn't even beating on it or anything.:af:

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    I guess after I let it cool down I'll TDC the motor and see where the balancer and distributor are.
     
  17. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    That is what I thought. I would check the balancer for slip by using a piston stop. If you have enough travel by turning the distributor to get the mark onto the timing tab, the distributor is installed correctly.
     
  18. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    idk, it looks like the balancer is where it should be.
     
  19. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    You can make a piston stop from an old sparkplug. Knock out the porcelin. Then thread the inside of the plug with a 3/8 tap. Then use a 3 1/2-4" bolt and screw it in to the plug shell. Then put the stop into the #1 cylinder. Use a breaker bar to slowly turn the crank clockwise until the piston contacts the stop. Make a mark on the balancer at the 0 on the timing tab. Then turn the crank counter clockwise until you contact the piston again. Make another mark on the balancer at the 0 on the timing tab. True TDC is exactly halfway between your 2 marks.
     
  20. Timonator

    Timonator Silver Level contributor

    Ok, I'll try to make one. This is what I have right now. Looks pretty close.
     

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