Im going to try something

Disconnecting the sway bar links does nothing. Your only saving the friction of the bar rotating in the bushings. Thats not holding the front end down. If you put dielectric grease on the bushing it has almost zero friction.

 

I just went 12.42 a couple weeks ago on a 75 shot just think what that will do with the SP3 and the same shot. I will tell ya wen I get this intake on.

 

When you get the SP3 on you're not limited to what is it, like 150-175 shot for a dual plane some where around there? Now with the SP3 you can do a 500 HP shot!!! With a single plane, even more if in you wanted to! :Brow: Just need to redo the low end to handle that, and of coarse the suspension, brakes and install a cage. :3gears:

Who is going to be the first to do a real N0S shot now that a single plane is available? :eek2: Can't wait to hear about someone doing that!!! :TU:




Derek

 

mine is capable of a 200 shot at least, I did 125 on the dp and ran 11.81. I am running the smallest jets I could buy for the system right now and still went that 12.42. @105mph 1.68 60ft, did 86 in the 1/8th. This is where I really want the engine to run at at the track. It is right in the middle of the pack and If I can get good grip on the track and be consistent, I will try some bracket racing been a while might be rusty. I am going to try the same 75 shot on the new intake to see where that goes.

I am only using a 46 nitrous jet, 42 gas jet. timing at 28* total. 2000rpm launch.

have a current video how do you post it.

 

If you email me the video I can post it... Will send you a pm.

 

Sounds like lots of fun Guy!
I'm not much of an added power guy, Guy, I was going on what I read about N0S and a dual plane that you don't want to shoot over such and such amount which I thought it was under a 200 shot? If not I stand corrected, but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't using a dual plane intake a limiting factor when using N0S? o No:

We have the boost sbb 350 guys, would be cool to see an all out N0S sbb 350 build! Good rods, good pistons with around 11:1 compression(where are those heads at?!!!) in a car setup to handle 8s stuffing in a huge 500 HP shot in an engine that has a N/A 550 HP!!! :Brow: Its not a factory 455 block and has proven to handle 1,021 HP with a billet crank with tons of boost, why not spray the snot out of one? Would probably be maybe less than 1/2 of the price to do a Tomahawk build? A couple hundred for a set of nascar take out rods, around $1,300 for a set of custom 2618 pistons & pins & rings, price of yet to be released al. heads, SP3 intake, sbb 350 billet crank, cost of block machining, the rest of the parts to make an engine and of coarse a huge bottle of N0S and the pieces to squirt the stuff in mass quantities. :eek2:


Sorry for the side track Mark, Guy got me thinking wondering if in anyone was pondering a big shot sbb 350 build? :3gears:

Would be cool to hear about someone with an underdog sbb 350 spanking those jock strapped 455 boosted build guys! Especially anyone of those guys that liked to come on the sbb section and say "just put a 455 in it"! :laugh:


Derek

 

Hmmmmm,.... I do have a clean 85 Regal with an empty engine bay and just sold all my Turbo 6 stuff, I think a max effort 350 would compliment all my 455 stuff very nicely

 

well...not being a smartass...well, yes being a smartass.....here is your chance to walk the talk vs talk the talk. :grin::laugh: we do need more people with REAL input.

 

Ha yea yea, as long as there is a Sp3 available I will have it on a low mileage 70 350 in two weeks and in the car, or if Sean wants to sell me my SP3 back?

 

Sorry don't have any spare intakes I'm a hoarder... I recently bought another SP-3 intake for a freind for his birthday and it took about 3 weeks for them to get it shipped out due to machining delays. So order early....

I spoke to Ta recently and they are planning to machine the heads soon and then they will be available... I get the first set.

 

I tried a 150 shot and it burnt the 1st two plugs on the pass side. Those were AC plugs so now I use NGK plugs I think it is a YR5. Past 150 on a DP is where the distribution problem starts. Do you think those injector bosses are for just for fuel injectors.

Sean, working on sending the video.

 

Like I said, I'm not a power adder guy, Guy(I can build an engine that will handle power adders though, and have), I personally prefer to get to the end of the track N/A. That's why I'm more into adding CID as a crutch rather than a bolt on detectable power adder of some sort. When someone tells me that they ran such and such fast ET with the help of a such and such HP shot of N0S its like eh, and makes me think they want to go fast without building something better that would go that fast without N0S.(no offense intended to those addicted to the juice, just that using N0S just to be able to have a time slip that is faster than the engine is capable on its own really doesn't impress me, I feel the same as using boost on a stock engine ) An all effort purpose built N0S or boost build would be a different story, one of those would require some sort of safety cage N/A though.

No offense Guy, but I have more respect for your N/A Et than the N0S one, just my personal point of view not meant to be a personal attack on you or anyone else that likes running a power adder of some sort. Would be fun to run faster than you could otherwise, I do get that though.

380 cid plus or minus a couple cid would be plenty of cubes to run pump gas, have decent street manners and still run high 11s in the QM if I so desired in up to a 3,800 lb car. I don't have much interest to personally run faster than 11.50 in the QM, but do like seeing those type of car builds and super fast ETs though. So with added cubes, I don't see the need to use a power adder for a more street than strip car. Added cubes and an overdrive helps keep torque and fuel economy up and RPM more useable down low. o No:



Derek

 

But on the flip side spending on the other side of 8k to run high 11's isn't impressive IMO, it's all relative, I use to hate N20 but if you have an engine that simply isn't capable of getting the job done and you want to go play, what do you do just be content getting out ran by everyone else?, 8k is just an guesstimate for an Aluminum head stroker SBB

 

I'm going to go make some pop corn.....be right back:laugh:

 

Nos isn't any more cheating than a person running my 1000hp NA top end in the 11 or 10 second brackets o No:

Comments to Derek's mindset behind the "$8k" stroker...I don't think it's costing HIM that, he's the machinist.
It's not costing any more than a restoration type build up.
The same confusion obscures the questions I get on 30mpg large displacement builds...No you are not saving $$ when you spend it on the engine up front.
You do it because you can, and the owner ends up with a kick butt engine at exceptional value.

[Oh, this isn't any kind of a plug..tech info only]

 

I support this but want to add that it could be viewed as an non-contestable comment being that it's a lot of $$ spent to prove a point.
Any builders with the skills to get any other makes' small blocks into 9's and low 10's aren't going to spend the time or $$ to put more Buicks into the 12's and 11's NA...just to prove they can, without some other kind of motive.
Who's $$ pays for this?
I'll agree that it can be very tough for an owner built-garage-project using the forums for advice rather than paying whatever a competent shop charges, to sift through what's relevant or truthful.
Everyone's opinion is valid and take it for what it's worth...being free .

 

Using a set of nascar take outs with the customizable AutoTec pistons would only be a couple hundred $$ more than building a standard stroke sbb 350 performance build with the same pistons. You wouldn't necessarily need to get al. heads either if one were a good reader and handy with a die grinder. So your estimate is a bit on the high and typically on the lower 455 performance build side. o No: I would guess a little bit over half of what you are guessing for a home ported iron headed sbb 350 stroker, and still less expensive than a crate engine with similar power. :Brow:

11.50 is the threshold of needing some sort of roll bar or if even faster, a roll cage, that is why I would chose high 11s as fast as I would go. Purpose built, a sbb 350 stroker could be utilized to go faster if one would so desire by different cam choice, more compression running race fuel, more gear with a mile high stall in a lighter car to run 10s N/A. :eek2: But not as fun on the street where I drive my cars most of the time.

The above would be by just utilizing the potential flow of a set of ported factory iron heads, 250 CFM is enough to support 550 HP for a max effort build which isn't really hard to get that much cfm out of a set of sbb 350 factory irons, even the later model heads can be made to flow that much. Ported irons that flow 280 would be able to support 600+ HP! More cubes helps make the power at a more realistic lower RPM than in a non-stroker engine with less cubes would with the same cfm(unless a power adder is thrown in the mix). As you know as well, that increasing cid increases low end torque as well as increasing the torque throughout the entire power band.

380 cubes with heads that flow well throughout the curve up to a max of 280 cfm, a custom solid roller to take advantage of how the heads flow, shifting at 7,500 RPM I think would be a pretty fun QM engine. So there isn't just one way to build one of these engines, depends on how you want it to run.


If you are more interested in building one you can PM me and I can help you with more of the details, we may even be able to get the price down more. :TU:

And I get the part about using N0S for the fun factor, just seems like a cheat to me to get a better time slip. o Noand again, no offense to anyone playing with N0S, its just my opinion in general not directed at any individual)

And again, Mark sorry for the detour on your thread.



Derek

 

Hi Larry, just having a little fun, don't want to hijack the thread. I'll revive an old Nitrous thread where we can kick it around some... :beer