Is the TA Performance 308S the Best Solid Flat Tappet cam to use Street/Strip

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Rossco Mason, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    Hi Guys,
    I am building a Big Block Buick, so far i have a set of Street Eliminator Heads and SP1 manifold which are getting ported at the moment.
    I have ordered Mains and Lift bore kit Girdles which will strengthen the engine to make good power.
    My engine builder is setting the oiling system up etc so it should be ready to make good Hp.
    We have looked at different Options and would like some feed back if anyone is interested.
    So far we want to run about 11.5:1 comp with EFI either FiTech or Holley Sniper setup so we can run it on the street/Strip and hiway.
    Have looked at TA Performance using there Sportsman Rods and JE pistons and have looked at the 470ci option.
    We have looked at cams so far we are looking at the 308S Solid Flat Tappet from TA,
    What kind of Options are out there that you guys go would go with ?
    Running a T400 with a Gear vendor and 3.7 gears 28inch rear tyres.
     
  2. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    No need for the sportsman rods or girdles for that combo, I like Bullet cams.
     
  3. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    Why is that Mate ?
    Should i go a Solid Roller cam
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    How much horsepower are you looking to make? How high do you want to spin it? How do you intend to use the car? If you are using a Gear Vendors, you intend to drive the car mostly on the street? This Spring we should have drop in rods for a 482 stroker motor. There is no need for a lifter bore girdle depending on cam lift and spring pressure. The more information you supply, the more accurate advice you will get.
     
  5. Bigpig455

    Bigpig455 Fastest of the slow....

  6. Bluzilla

    Bluzilla a.k.a. "THE DOCTOR"

    Are your Steet Eliminator heads Stage 1 or Stage 2?
    If you are set on a solid lifter flat tappet cam then the T/A 308s is a good choice for Stage 1, and T/A 304s is good for Stage 2.

    Larry
     
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  7. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    Larry70GS I would like to make 650+Hp and drive it on the Street/Strip, it is going into a full chassis 1 Tonner which weighs between 2700 to 2900ib.
    I would like to no more about what is a good spring pressure for Street/Strip with a Roller Solid, would like to find out more combinations so we can make up our mind on what to do.

    I have the Stage 2 SE heads
     
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  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    650 + HP is getting very close to the limits of the stock block. For that kind of power, it is very important to start with a good block with minimal core shift. Read this thread,
    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?th...ck-why-sonic-checking-is-so-important.171953/

    You may also want to consider some block fill, and/or a block girdle. Making that kind of power will require turning the engine up around 6300 + I would think. You'll need the oiling modification regardless. Read this thread,

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/400-430-455-block-id-prep-and-oiling-mods.214613/

    Valve spring pressure will depend on the exact cam you choose. If you go beyond typical big flat tappet spring pressures, then you will need a lifter bore girdle. My spring pressures are 145/370, and I have a small hydraulic roller. I do not have a lifter bore girdle. Keep in mind that the bigger you go on the cam, the higher the RPM power range goes. You lose low end power to get higher RPM breathing and power. You also need more torque converter and deeper gearing. The gear vendors overdrive will drop the RPM down about 600 RPM. The biggest mistake made by most is to overcam an engine. Get the best porting you can afford to the Stage2 SE heads. The better the heads flow, the less cam you need to achieve your goals. Smaller cams offer better drive ability on the street. Be as realistic with your goals as possible.
     
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  9. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    With 11.5to1 you not going to make enough HP to merit all the girdles especially not the lifter girdle, if you plan to turn things up later that's different story, the sportsman rods aren't available 99% of the time , the Molnars or Eagle drop in rods are a much more cost effective solution
     
  10. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    Everything you said is very much spot on in my eyes, i have ordered the Mains and the Lifter Bore Girdles thats just me wanting the strengthen the block as much as i can for my own security, nothing worse have it in the back of your mind waiting for something to go bom, Have seen what happens when you make good HP and dont spend the extra few dollars things go bang.

    The Engine builder is right onto the oiling system i am very happy in what hes doing with it i have printed out a lot of info and he's just going to do what he knows best he builds Door Slammer and prostock speedway nitros engines thats all he has done for the last 30+yrs. The problem is he doesn't build BB Buicks until now lol

    Has anyone used the Tri-Shield 470ci setup using Molnar Rods and the Diamond Pistons, i spoke to Jim and it does sound like it makes good reliable power and TQ.
    Or the other option we have looked at is the Billet rods and JE forged pistons from TA Performance which makes it a 464ci which sounds pretty much bullet proof.
    What's the best way to go?

    Your so right when it comes to overcam the engine thats 1 of the main reasons i am here the cam pick is the problem, do i go a Solid Flat Tappet or Solid / Hydrualic Roller.
    Any comments would be good on this ?

    We were looking at the 308S but like Bulzilla said a 304s would run better with the SE heads.

    I like a Hydrualic Roller on the street but i dont think i will get 650Hp

    With the fuels over here as I am from Australia and we have 98 and 95 octane, most BBC / SBC with good HP are running EFI FiTech or Holley on 98, running 98 you can run higher comp around 11.5:1 but 98 only works well with efi, 95 works well with carby but lower comp around 10.5:1 and i am not running E85 to up and down for me.

    We built a 462ci with a Lunati Hemi Killer cam 10.5:1 forged stage 1 heads sp1 manifold with a 850 Holley in a 2800ib car and went 11.90et that was 15yrs ago and the engine is still going strong it was fun.
     
  11. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    We could run a maxium comp of 12:1 on the 98 octane but thats about it, you would no which servo had the better fuel running that high.
    I am only going off what my engine builder has told me for his experience running engines on the dyno
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes, I have a 470. Lots of guys have 470 engines. Look at my signature. Do you fully understand the advantage of using a piston that you can customize? Read this, http://www.trishieldperformance.com/470--what-and-why-.html

    You want a piston with a better compression distance so you don't have to mill the block excessively. My engine used the Eagle rod. That was 5 years ago. You have even better rod options now, and they are drop in. You can build a 482.
     
  13. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    Speaking to Jim from Tri-Shield with his setup you only have to deck the block .020 for Zone deck height and machine the journals .050 thats using Molnar Rods and Diamond Forged pistons, he said he could change the pistons to suit what comp i needed to run.
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Exactly, so why are you considering the JE's, and rods that will cost you more? You'll need to mill the block a lot more than .020 with them. Have a look at this engine,

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/dyno-results-470-street-engine.316085/
     
  15. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    Well thats what I'm looking for Larry and its running a hydraulic Roller same heads less comp less octane fuel, just need to no who to speak to about a cam to suit.
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The cam specs are in that thread. Speak to TA Performance.
     
  17. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    What's the go with the CP pistons & Compstar rods ?
    So that engines bottom end is a Tri-Shield Rods & Pistons.
     
  18. Rossco Mason

    Rossco Mason Active Member

    I seen the cam specs who is the best person to speak to at TA Performance on cams
     
  19. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Don't know, you'll have to ask Chris. I'm sure the pistons were made with the better compression distance.

    Why don't you just call Jim Weise. He is a TA dealer and he can get you what you want. I'd just call Jim.
     
  20. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind Chris really has a handle on Buick heads, 367cfm on intake is not something that happens on a regular basis
     

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