Lets talk Driveshafts

Discussion in 'Got gears?' started by 12lives, May 7, 2024.

  1. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    I am using a 2004R in my 67. I think I need to change the driveshaft as I had a 300 before. Besides I really don't think using my 57 year old 2 piece driveshaft is a great idea. My local drive shaft shop closed. So the nearest shop that does custom driveshafts for cars is 2 hours away. I looked at Denny's and Empire and they talk about limiting their drive shafts to 400 HP. Some will go to 500 HP. Not that I am going that high, but what do the 600 HP+ guys do? Also, choosing between diameter, material (steel vs aluminium (not considering composite), slip yoke and u joints. I want to keep the stock rear end carrier. I need some advice!
    Help!
     
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  2. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    The 200-4R is very close to the Turbo 350, which I thought was the same as the ST-300 length. I'm all for getting rid of the 2-piece drive shaft. Your current drive shaft length should be workable. The 200-4R is only 1/8" longer than a 350, so, taking 1/8" off the current length would be what you'd need.

    I'm using a factory 350 turbo drive shaft out of a 72 GS in my 200-4R behind my mild Stage 1 455. I'm not going to the track so I suspect it will live for a very long time without traction.


    Here's the specs I found.
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  3. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

  4. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    Thanks Michael - Bob looks great. What size shaft do you use?
     
  5. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    0.083 Inch wall DOM seamless steel
    3.5 Inch Outside Diameter

    :)
     
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  6. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

  7. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Critical speed on both my '64and '68 driveshafts are 6800 RPM.
    With Overdrive it would be 6000 RPM.
    So, at shaft critical speed, I'll be doing 277 MPH.

    I'll be... fine. :D
     
  8. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Overdrive transmissions only lower engine rpm.
    Driveshaft rpm is dictated by road speed and axle gearing.
     
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  9. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Yep. 6800 RPM shaft speed is the critical speed, that's 6000 engine RPM with .68 overdrive for my car with my gearing and tires.
     
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  10. 12.0 wagon

    12.0 wagon Grocerys optional

    I had a driveshaft go on me at 112 mph at the top. Regular steel driveshaft came apart in four pieces and took out everything from the rear end all the way forward and the floor.
    I looked to Mark Williams Inc. for a replacement ended up with a chrome Moly with larger diameter so critical speed would exceeded my horsepower and RPM.
    Evaluate your true needs. It’s worth the extra cost for the safety a strong driveshaft to provide.
     
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  11. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    12.0 wagon - what rear gears are you running?
     
  12. 12.0 wagon

    12.0 wagon Grocerys optional

    3.73, but, it was more than just that I was running a short shaft turbo 400 and with a station wagon the driveshaft stretched out to about 57 inches. I don’t remember the exact size but if the driveshaft was 2 1/2 to 3 inches critical speed was way down in the 5500 RPM range for the length of the driveshaft in the material it’s made up, which is why I went to such a severe duty driveshaft.
    Along with the better driveshaft, I also went to a long shaft turbo 400 which shortened everything up by about 4 1/2 -5 inches. So in essence my critical speed is well above 7500 right now which is way more than enough.
     
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  13. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    This is great - never thought about critical speed until this thread!
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

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  15. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    If you are driving that wagon at the track...it is possible that you just tweak the the shaft on a hard launch enough to put it out of round and then hell broke loose at top end. IT IS RACING so anything and everything will happen.
    Might have just been crap luck. :(
    I took a stock MONZA 2.5" or less shaft to 10.90 for 4-5 years ..nothing ever happened to it. still have it for a spare.
    NOW remember that is a much lighter car...BUT torque and hook is torque and hook fronts up a foot all the time.
     
  16. Tom Righter

    Tom Righter Well-Known Member

    Strange engineering.,CM Everything. 1350 solid U joints. Great service quality is second to none.
     

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