NAPA 1969 GS Carb Dashpot Number

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by BuickV8Mike, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    I'm getting some serious backfire on throttle down after being in it. This is the next step, I just replaced the plugs. Any help would be great. I'm talking about the one with the bracket mounted to the intake manifold. Thanks.

    Mike
     
  2. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Al the dashpot does is give the throttle a cushion so the engine doesn't stall if the car decelerates too fast. I seriously doubt that's your issue
     
  3. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    It idles rich and likely runs rich.

    Does this on the carb mean anything to anyone?

    076
    042
    DA

    or

    16 x 12
    ***
    Just had it rebuilt. Cost me alot, but I'm not impressed.
    I
    Thanks,
    Mike
     
  4. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    The original carb number should be 7029242 according to the service manual. We're going to need some more information. When you say backfiring, is it through the exhaust or through the carb? Was it doing this before the carb was rebuilt or is it a new issue after the carb was installed?
     
  5. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    Not an original carb. Rebuilt / re-jeted for new gas. After WOT and then off the throttle completely, backfire through the exhaust occurs. Then stumbling during the rest of the trip. I have gone through two pertroxix units, simple point replacement models but I'm back to points. The plastic stepped block on the passenger side of the carb could be damaged, but I don't understand exactly what going on with the choke circuits.

    Cheers
     
  6. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    1970 qjet however
     
  7. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Probably not backfiring per se, but more of a popping through the exhaust. Sounds like the carb is too lean. So just to clarify-

    This is a NEW condition AFTER the carb was rebuilt?
    Was this carb on the car before?
     
  8. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    And just out of curiosity, what kind of vacuum reading are you getting at idle?
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    A 1970 Q-jet is a 750 CFM carburetor. .076 and 42B rods would make it super rich. The 800 CFM carburetors used mid 70's jets stock, so a 750 set up like that would be very rich, especially with those primary rods. There are 2 guys on V8 who can properly set up your carburetor, you should have used one of them.

    Get the part number off the carburetor, should start with 704
     
  10. carmantx

    carmantx Never Surrender

    Post pictures of your carb so we can see what you have.
    A 70 Chevy carb would use 76 jets but not a Buick. If you have a plastic fast idle cam for choke that would be 69 or earlier.
     
  11. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    We're assuming the numbers Mike posted are jetting numbers. They could be anything.

    Its a possibility that the engine could have something as simple as a vacuum leak. Unfortunately, there are more questions than answers here
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Could be, I read it as 76 jets, 42 primary rods and DA secondary rods. A vacuum leak would make it lean though, not rich. This is an unknown carburetor at this point.
     
  13. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    The numbers were written on the carb by the local guy who rejetted it for the new gas. The carb # 29241ME 1199. I attached a photo below. The vacuum advance for the dist is connected to the manifold. I had it connected to the front lower right of the carb but there was not flow there.

    The first set of numbers are written on the secondary plate and the second set where the fuel line attaches. He rebuilt the carb and then I brought it to him and he went down on size internally but I think he should have gone down more. It just smells too gassy at idle.

    Clearly, I should have gone to a buick only guy here but I was focused on getting the engine started at the time.
     

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  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Should be 7029241. I could not find that number in my sources, but it would certainly be in the 69 Chassis manual. I found a 7029242, which would be the automatic transmission carburetor for the 69 GS400. That has .070 jets, 45B rods, and AY secondary rods. The 7029241 would be the manual transmission carburetor for a 69 GS400? Might have different stock jetting. Got a 1969 Buick Chassis Manual Mike? Here's a cheap one,

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-19...ash=item25e1496ddc:g:t2oAAOSwNZtZ0Q3I&vxp=mtr
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2017
  15. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    I do. It skips the ...241 listing 242 for 400ci and 240. For the 430ci, both AUTO
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    OK, so then we have to think that the stock jetting would be the same, .070 jets, 45B primary rods, and AY secondary rods.

    You have .076 jets, 42B primary rods, and DA secondary rods.

    The rule of thumb for Q-jet jetting is if you go up more than 3 jet sizes, you go UP one rod number to re-establish your cruise air/fuel ratio . Given that, I don't understand why your guy did what he did. The only reason for going up in jetting is if you are running headers and a hot cam. He went up 6 jets sizes, and down 3 primary rod sizes. The AY secondary rods have .0567 tips, the DA rods have .0440 tips, so they are richer as well. That carburetor must be pig rich.
     
  17. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Mike, it really helps if we know more about your combination. Look at my signature. Every time I post, you see all the details of my engine build and car. Are you running headers, cam?
     
  18. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    It is and I don't like it. What should they be? This has been quite a learning experience for me. The rebuilt engine break in suffered extreme overheating for a few reasons....one assuming a lean condition of the carb prior to rebuild. This was likely an incorrect assumption and was really block and radiator flow or cooling issues.

    I was under the understanding that you had to increase sizes for the new gas.
     
  19. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    Stock everything, point taken Larry. I'll update.
     
  20. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The only reason for going up 6 jet sizes is if you are running open headers, a big cam, and single plane intake. The new gas is 10% ethanol. While it makes some difference, I doubt it needs re-jetting in most cases, certainly not yours. I would go back to stock jetting for that carburetor except for the secondary rods, I would leave that.
     

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