NOS 71 H/L bezels and hood chrome Gee, where do you suppose he got the idea for his opening bid amount? ou: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6763&item=2454852176 ou: Same thing with 71 hood chrome: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6763&item=2454855652
that would be me david i am the seller, i sent you a pm. granted, the price isnt cheap but they werent cheap when i bought them either. i dont like to use a reserve, so i started them at the least i want to take. if they dont sell, i will probably give up rather than take a loss. i think the price is in line, considering people pay over $225.00 for LF side markers and $650 for used fan shrouds. if it gets bids, i dont expect it to go much higher than the starting price. if it doesnt, i will try to trade for 70 parts, that was the original idea when i bought them. the one thing i didnt like about putting them on ebay is that now everyone knows my ebay id. i tried to sell them here first but got no takers. i knew that my id would become known, but i listed them anyway. thank you scott, you need any nos h/l knobs ? take care, henry
Henry, I hope my post isn't being interpreted as being critical of the actual opening bid price. I apologize if I came across that way. I only thought it was amusing that 455 was chosen as the figure in both listings! :grin: I know the headlight bezels are probably worth it, as it is VERY expensive to have originals repaired and rechromed, but I have no idea on values for the hood chrome, to base any critique on. Good luck with these, I'm sure there are plenty of guys that can use this stuff. :TU:
no problem hi david naw, no problems here, you know i sell for reasonable prices when i can. when i sell, i usually try to get all the market will bare, i see nothing wrong with that, in fact i think it would be foolish to do otherwise. the stuff might not get any bids, i dunno. these are just about unobtainium. i got the hood chrome on a buy it now deal a couple years back and i paid a hefty price then. the guy then offered me the bezels on a side deal so i bought them too. i get very few low priced items on ebay, mostly expensive stuff. i did get a 70 shop manual on there for $13.99 the other day, that was buy it now, got it about 10 minutes after it was listed, one of few bargains. to sweeten the deal, free shipping to v8buick bb members in the lower 48 states. thanks henry
Re: no problem Yes Henry, I do know that from personal experience! You came thru for me when I needed a nice 68 taillight housing, offering me an NOS one for a great price. :TU::TU:
NOS Headlight Knob?? Hey Henry, If Scott doesn't need an NOS headlight knob, I sure as hell do! Please let me know...thanks!! :TU:
Wow.....When I bought my 71 S1 Convertible the seller started giving me all kinds of spare Buick parts. One just happened to be the NOS "hood chrome" in the GM box.
if you buy my car..... wow ..... ? well sure, and if you come buy my GS 350 car, i will give you the nos front hood chrome. the more you spend, the more you get, nothing new about that. anybody have an nos one they can sell me for less ? if anyone thinks this is high, you should see what i paid for the nos 70 GS hood chrome that fedex destroyed. i am from the old school myself, but the old school burned down long ago. 1982 prices are gone forever, lets not live in the past. k? henry
Ok, I think I misread something Henry wrote??? $650 for a used fan shroud??? Is it gold plated? $455 for a hood lip trim?? Maybe in 10-15 years. Same goes for headlight bezels. Those can be restored to like-new condition for less than half that amount. Like a buddy once said, "Once you put a NOS part on car, all you have is a nice used part" Not to make disparaging remarks but those prices seem high to me. Maybe Henry will get a buyer but ....... I don't think that will happen soon. When I first saw them, I thought they were a typo, off by a factor of ten. You would probably get a better feel for the market using a reserve.
no gold plating needed apparently hi george as best i could tell from the listings, the fan shrouds were not gold plated, just used GM. i think those prices were high but thats what the last two 70 bb GS fan shrouds ended at on ebay. i have never seen replated chrome thats as nice as nos, no matter who did it. not to make disparaging remarks ? i think you did anybody else want to flame me ? henry white
Not a flame. Just stating some facts. As for NOS, I have seen 3 left 1971 headlight bezels pulled from the sealed GM box that were of poor quality. Chrome areas had yellow tint, thin nickel base. I agree NOS is nice but also remember, you are dealing with a 30+ year old part and even being in a box does not mean material/finish/metal does not degrade over time. You can say the same for many NOS parts. See the article about NOS Skylark fenders not being aligned correctly. I have been a Corvette owner for over 20+ years, 69 and 71. I have seen what many NOS parts look like (I bought some from my local Chevy dealer) and the reproductions. No comparison. Quality of repro parts is much better. So, sometimes NOS is what it means, Old Stock, nothing exciting about that unless you absolutely, positively have to have the part and you can not sleep at night knowing you have a repro part on your car. As for restored headlight bezels, I have seen many and the quality was excellent. If I put the restored one next to an NOS one, you would not see any difference. Cost to restore a headlight bezel runs about $120-150 each depending on current condition. When I saw $650 for a fan shroud, someone must have been in dire need for a 70 455 shroud for a GSX. Reminds me of some of the prices Corvette owners were paying for parts. If people are willing to pay that for a fan shroud then we would have all the Buick Skylark/GS repro parts that everyone needs. Alan Faircloth and many others as well as myself have looked into repro parts production, you think with such a need for parts, Buick Skylark/GS owners would "step up" and put their money where their mouth is, right? No way, more talk than $$$$$. Until "wanted/needed" parts demand more money $$$$, Buick Skylark/GS owners will have to make do with old used originals, NOS and restored/reman parts. Also, you have to ask yourself (as a potential repro parts producer) how many people will pay "X" dollars for a particlular part? I can only guess there would be less than a couple dozen people willing to pay $650 for a fan shroud. You will never recover your investment in mold costs and labor and make a profit. Now, if you can sell 500-600 shrouds at $150-200 then maybe you will make profit. As for your Ebay listing, if I remember correctly, starting bid at $455 and reserve price of $455, listing costs are about the same. So, why not list it at a $1 and see where it goes with your reserve set at $455.
Henry I've been selling NOS Buick parts for almost 30 years. Henry, when you came to my house and bought a NOS 70 GS grille, I was fair at the time ,but the price would be much higher. I think you will get the price! George ,What would you sell those71 Head light doors for if they belonged to you?. You sell parts , and I bet your price would also be high. If you sell low ,smeone will buy them and sell them for more. You gotta pay to, play! Prices are high but where do you find parts for your GS, even the Chevy guys are buying Skylarks and parting them because of the price of parts. Its easy to pick apart someone's pricing, But HENRY is one of the "GOOD GUY" in my book and if he needs the right part to finish that Stage -1 4spd , he will buy it. MY $1.00's worth, 2 cents doesn't get much today Bill Lagna
Bill, Never said Henry was a "bad" guy. Not picking apart his pricing. Just stating an objective viewpoint. I look at the parts in this manner: For me, object/goal is to turn over the capital. You can sit on a part for 3, 5, 10 years, thinking of some number, $$$$. Doesn't sell, wonder why. Part is not priced to sell. When I see high $$$ for parts and they don't sell, then they are not priced right. Saw this at the GS Nats, someone was constantly bringing the same pair of 68-9 GS rear qtrs for $1500-1800. Hmmmm, wonder why he had them there for 3 years in a row? If I had the 71 NOS headlight bezels, I would list them on Ebay and set a reserve of $150 each. To me, that what it costs to have them restored by a pot metal restorer. If someone buys them and resells them for more, great. If he buys them and puts them in a crusher, I don't care. I made my money. As for selling parts, I have lost track of the number of parts I have sold. I have been told numerous times my prices are very fair and have been sent lists for parts to keep on my yarding list to buy at the local salvage yards. My point of view is " part does no good sitting in my garage and I have no use for it. " I listed 2 1971 GS grilles on Ebay. Had them for 5+ years. Decided I would never use them. Both were broken but complete. Listed each one individually. I have heard/seen on Ebay where a 71 GS grille was bid to $1000-1200 for a nice grille. Mine sold for $150-200 each. Was I happy, you bet! Part was sold! Seller was happy, buyer was happy! I have seen two locals here who were buying cars and parting them out, actually turned into a parts storage since his prices were astromically and he could not afford to store parts inside (no money, wonder why) and they degraded over time. Guess what, both guys are out of business. Seen this at several salvage yards and owners of older Buicks here in FL. They think the parts and/or cars are worth $$$$$. Parts degrade and so do cars. Those salvage yards closed. When people with their old Buicks can't sell them, they call me and wonder why. I tell them a fair price and leave my name and number. Sometimes I get a call 3 months to a 1 year later. "Come and get it outta here" phone call. I also include the buyer's side in my pricing. How big of a market/buyers will pay X dollars for that part. How many GS cars, since those are usually the buyers willing to pay $$$ for parts, be in need of such a part? When you sold the NOS 70 grille, did you have priced at "fair price"? I bet you did. You could have held onto to it until now and sold it for twice? what Henry paid for it. You needed the $$ for something and Henry needed the part. My point is when I see the pricing, even if it doesn't sell, parts somehow become shelf items. Nice to look at but will not be used, sits on a shelf. Henry can ask whatever he wants, sometimes it helps to hear some "other side" opinions. Priced to sell or priced to fish? That's my dollar's worth!
price etc. hi george i agree with you in your second post about nos compared to some of the repro's. and when i talked to you on the ph back in november ? i found you to be a most pleasant person, we just cant agree on these prices. myself, i prefer a nice piece of nos GM chrome over some of this over restored replated stuff, and i will pay to get that shine. nothing is more " correct " than the way GM made it. i gotta say, i would love to meet the plater who will do a pair for $ 150.00 seems he should be a very busy man. ten years down the road, the nos will still look fine whereas a replate will probably peel, flake or pit worse than the GM part. some nos parts are pretty bad right out of the box, mine are not, mine are ready to paint & install. probably not too many guys who would pay $650.00 for a shroud, but on ebay it only takes two bidders, possibly one to make it end that high. i found a nice one at carlisle for $ 450.00 and if i had been one minute later, i would not have gotten it. more than i wanted to pay, but thats under the going rate. perhaps i did pay too much for this stuff, but unless someone has one they can sell for less or tell me of a supply for less, then their words dont mean much. when something is as rare as the hood chrome, there is no " market value " because there is no others to compare to. h/l bezels do show up from time to time. bill thank you for the reality check. you have always been most pleasant to deal with or just to shoot the breeze at the car shows. bill is one of the great guys, and i would prefer to buy from bill before anyone else. :TU: one more thing, i was contacted thru ebay by a bb member who i wont name. you know what he said ? he wont list parts here anymore because he got tired of being flamed over prices. sooooooooo, everytime we flame a seller cause he wants more than someone thinks its worth, they get discouraged and sell their parts somewhere else. does anybody think that is helping our hobby ? if i hear too much over this, i might haul it all to carlisle and sell it to that buick vendor ( you know who ) that some of you dont like, and let you deal with them, even if i take a big loss. right now i can sympathize a lil more with the guys who get disgusted with the BS and scrap their parts. now, like david said, this serves no useful purpose and unless we get some more self appointed experts, i plan to make this my final post in this thread. let it go people. if you cant afford it, or dont like the price, then just dont bid, get over it. i regret ever listing the d%#$ parts. i am not always the cheapest or highest priced vendor, just high quality parts and good service. no reason for anyone to get their panties in a wad. edit: almost all of my " negative " comments in this last post, are directed at the flamers and naysayers in general and not at any particular person in this thread. i wish i had been more clear on that when i made this post. i hope this thread will stay here so that the flamers will consider just how counter-productive it is to flame sellers when they dont agree with the price. i dont want to " hook " anybody, so i will tell you that last i looked there was a much cheaper nos 71 front hood lip chrome posted recently in the parts for sale section of this bb. i dont expect any bids after all this, so dont be surprised if i end the auctions early. i doubt i will relist them. i will be sending at least one pm, maybe more. peace to all. henry white
