any of u guys familar with a product by M&H Wire fabricators , at http://www.breakerless.com as a alternative to the pertronix brekarless ignition ? tkx
Yup, alternative uselessness, as opposed to just plain uselessness. PerJunk is bad enough, but the M&H uses resisted voltage through the copil, being a single wire setup, and that just means it is a lot weaker than even the most mundane PerTronix. I like the M&H guys, except the one ogre there, great wiring wizards, but their ignition stuff just isn't worth it. I've removed about 70 of them so far. Buy the M&H if you have to, but don't expect much of it.
breakerless ig man: i am not about to change from points & condenser on my 72 gs . the question was posed to me by my brother who has a #s matching 67 ss/rs camaro with a 350ci engine. i have been trying to persuade him NOT to use the pertronix based on your opinions & others on this board . he suggested the "Breakerless" solution , that is why i posted this thread. i surely do appreciate your response & i have passed it on to my brother . tkx a lot .
I have to disagree with you about Pertronix. I have had it in mine for about 10 years now, and it works great. I've never had any problems with it and I don't have any complaints about it. It was the best $60 I ever spent. What is so bad about this that you dislike it so much?o No:
Oh no! The gauntlet has been thrown down! Here we go again! ou: :laugh: I've using Pertronix for 7 years now with no problems. This is not to say it is not a problematic solution. I only point out that I've been lucky as compared to so many others
Perhaps the problem is this: If you bypass the resistor, it makes the pertronix work too hard and burns it out.? I use the stock resistor, I can't see taking the chance of overheating my coil, and besides, a stock motor IMO doesn't need all that extra voltage. Unless you open your spark plug gaps, the voltage required to jump the gap will remain low anyway.:bglasses:
AAAAAAHHHHHH! Run! Hide! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: Do a search on "Ignitionman and Pertronix" in this forum and you'll find out. There are some pretty strongly held opinions out there on Pertronix. :Smarty: :spank: :TU: :rant: Not me, though, I've never had one, just points and hei. :bglasses:
UH-OH!!!!!! uzzled: Oh no, what have I done???..........:shock: Somehow I have the feeling I started beating a dead horse:grin:
Don't worry, you're not the first, and besides, it can be a lot of fun if you don't mind getting messy...:beer
What I can't believe is that someone w/ over 400 posts to their name hasn't come across this oh so dreaded of topics :laugh: .
Using the search engine, I found and read some other posts about this. I do remember posting in defense of Pertronix once before, but that's all. I did notice the coil from my old motor was wet around the tower area, I thought it was just leaky. I'm going out to check my new coil, it's had one year to leak and I haven't looked at it yet. If it's wet, then I geuss it has something to do with the Pertronix maybe overheating it.
Let's see, reasons (recorded over a 12 year period): TYPE REMOVED FAILED WANTED BETTER SYSTEM Mallory Unilite 219 26 All of them Mallory Magnetic 239 239 All of them Comp-U-Fire 101 6 All of them M&H/Breakerless 73 73 All of them Crane XRi 107 107 All of them PerTronix 1,698 1,698 All of them Large cap HEI 319 NONE Clearance/fit issues Stinger I and II 96 96 All of them All of them means just that, every owner that had me convert their dists from what they had in them to what I offer. Crane XRi failures are all from rev limiters that would not hold a set, would lower the rev limit 200 rpms per hit, until the lower stop was hit, where they remained, no warrantee replacement from Crane. M&H was widely viewed as just not worth the money vs. performance offered, which was said to be somewhat less than stock points. Mallory magnetic showed to be a just plain junk system, Unilte was usually from incorrect resistance useage, only two from old age/other than resistor issues. Comp-U-Fire was from magnets coming out of the holder, losing cylinders when the magnets flung away. Stinger was from very old units not having any backup anymore, and not from performance issues, can't get parts, can't fix. Note: these owners were all quite happy with both the performance and lifespan of their Stingers. Large cap HEI, issues here were mostly clearance/appearance issues, with only a cery small few failure issues. PerTronix, shown, all styles if drop-in Ignitors, first, second, and lobe reader types. ALL but 2 were proven to have been installed as per instructions, and not incorrectly. Pertronix has this mental block that all failures on their Ignitors is from incorrect installation, when this just isn't the fact. Of the 2 that were proven to have beenn installed incorrectly, one had rotor to module intersection (hitting), and the other from wires being connected backwards. It should be of note, only the two obvious failed Ignitors had the original Ignitorss installed in those disributors, the rest of them had art least a second replacement Ignotor installed, and many had multiple ones replaced under warrqantee or other issues. One dist had 9 replacements, and the owner was just plain tired of hearing the problem wasn't the Ignitor, but his car, from the PerTronix techs. Average number of replaced Ignitors for the greatest part of the dists I changed over was 3, 3 ignitors per dist, in just over 900 of those dists I saw. Now, this is what I live every day, story after story about just what I see, a product that Jim Hairston has produced, for a reported $9.00 each, sold for junk ignition system costs, flooding the market with them. That's a Pertronix Ignitor, which proves the adage "you get exactly what you pay for". Caveat emptor, which means "to the buyer, beware". Those are my reasons, from my hands-on experiences with those systems.
And all this time I've been driving my car without a set of points in the glove box. uzzled: We went to flint last summer, about a 800 mile round trip, and Atlantic City, about a 1000 mile round trip and we may take it all the way to Reno, Nevada next summer for hot august nights 2004, about a 8,000 mile round trip from Buffalo. (we drive our Riv a lot) Maybe I'd better put a spare set in the glove box, huh?:Brow:
Do as you see fit. If your PerJunker is a first type, then, with a resistor and stock coil, the thing should live fairly well, any version after that, you are stacking the deck. Plug gaps, .035 max with all Per-Poopers. They are all still nothing to write home about.
