Rocker alignment issues

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by Donnie, Oct 12, 2020.

  1. Donnie

    Donnie Well-Known Member

    Hello. I have some stage 2 se heads that I'm wanting to use the early style 400 rockers on and they don't seem to be centered on the valves. It's like each pair are too close together by an 1/8 or so. The same way on both sides. Thanks.
     

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  2. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    Can you add shim(s) between the rockers and the rocker stands?
     
  3. DasRottweiler

    DasRottweiler -BuickAddict-

    I'm not familiar with the 69 rockers, but it looks like if you switch the exhaust with the intake it will line up. Perhaps the shafts/rockers were disassembled at some point and reassembled incorrectly. Jim
     
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  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  5. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    Spot on
     
  6. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    If no one chimes in b4 Monday, I have several original never pulled apart sets of these rockers, i can verify then which ones goes where.....but you can see they are different between l/r
     
  7. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    I believe there should be a thrust washer between the rocker arm and the clanp. Looks like it's missing.
     
  8. Thumper (aka greatscat)

    Thumper (aka greatscat) Well-Known Member

    Not on the 67-69s,the rockers were up against the hold down clamps.
     
  9. Donnie

    Donnie Well-Known Member

    I thought about the thrust washers too, but none if the pictures I could find online had any. I could swap the intake and exhausts and it looks like it would help, but there is a hole in each one facing towards the spacer that looks like that is the way they are supposed to go.
     

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  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Maybe this will help. It is from the 1967 Buick Chassis manual. Clearly, the rockers have specific offsets left and right. Maybe you have a set up that was assembled wrong, or with the wrong parts.

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  11. BuickV8Mike

    BuickV8Mike SD Buick Fan

    Come on guys...... :p:p:p
     
  12. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    Does the stage 2se heads use larger valves than the 430 did?
     
  13. Thumper (aka greatscat)

    Thumper (aka greatscat) Well-Known Member

    Yes
     
  14. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Yes and no...

    The stock 430 valves have a thicker stem and a smaller head.
     
  15. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    Would the larger valves space them further apart making the rockers not centered?
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Center line of the stem should be in the same place regardless of valve size.
     
  17. No Lift

    No Lift Platinum Level Contributor

    The rockers are in the correct positions. The little notch toward the spacers is for oiling that area. Are those the correct spacers/retainers for the BBB? I know the 350 spacers are narrower. I'd just get some shims to space the rockers out from the retainers. TA does list rocker arm shims to align their roller style but you could use them there. I use valve spring shims to space out my rockers correctly.

    The idea of swapping rockers around certainly looks like a good idea. Maybe you can add a small notch for oiling? Also I'd worry more about how they align with the pushrod holes. That is where you don't want any pushrod to hole rubbing so I'd want it right down the middle.
     
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  18. Donnie

    Donnie Well-Known Member

    I tried swapping them around and it helped with centering them on the valves, but it made the pushrods rub on the outside of the holes. I'm just going to use a later model set for now that line up fine until I get some rollers. Thanks for all the advice and help.
     

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