steel wheel & dog dish question

Discussion in 'The Hides' started by painekiller, Aug 28, 2015.

  1. painekiller

    painekiller Well-Known Member

    were all the steel wheels with the dog dish option painted the color of the car? ive seen them car color and ive seen them in black.
     
  2. buick64203

    buick64203 Just plum crazy Staff Member

    The 15's came silver with a trim ring. The 14's came body color with no trim ring. If the car was white, it got black wheels. Maybe black on some other light colors but not sure
     
  3. BUQUICK

    BUQUICK I'm your huckleberry.

    Jason is correct. To confirm this point I looked in my '67 A-body assembly manual at the Exterior Car Color Chart which lists the wheel colors and for 1967 all standard wheels were the same color as the body except for cars painted Arctic White or Ivory. Those two light colors got black wheels.

    I didn't check the other years of Buick assembly manuals but I believe this general rule holds true. Interestingly, Pontiac was a little different and only painted the wheels the same color on about half of the colors each year and just painted the rest black.
     
  4. painekiller

    painekiller Well-Known Member

    thanks for the info
     
  5. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    Painted my 14x6 Rims Black For my 72 White stage1 putting REDLINES on That will make the red paint on my Stage 1 emblems stand out! Ha! I always add away extra grams of blue in my GM black Wa 848 code. And right amount of flatting base! They look Powdercoated. With that Blue Hue to them. Got 4 Dog dish hubs never used! Sweet!
     
  6. Rich Johns

    Rich Johns Platinum Level Contributor

    Doug ,on GS cars that were not ordered with a wheel option you received a painted 14 x6 plain steel wheel with G78 -14 blackwall polyglas tire.
    Here is a pics of my original paint Burgandy mist 70 GS 455 4 speed car that is a factory no wheel/tire option car.
    Car retains all 5 original paint painted steel wheels.

    Not all body colors received color matching wheels to body. Light colors, like white, would receive back wheels.
     

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  7. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    Richard What size rim? And tire is that on your Red GS? on the front.
     
  8. Rich Johns

    Rich Johns Platinum Level Contributor

    As stated in my post above, 14x6 rim front tires are G78-14 blackwall polyglas tire.

    Standard/no cost wheel and tire on a 1970 Buick Skylark or Big Block GS car in 1970.
     
  9. dl7265

    dl7265 No car then Mopar

    Will those HF 14" steel wheels clear disc brakes ?
     
  10. scubasteve455

    scubasteve455 Well-Known Member

    14" were definitely the Norm on 72 GS. My Rally's were 14x6 they cleared My Disc. I also have the "rare" 14x6 painted rally on the front. But had heavy plates welded on the back side. rims were for Drum brakes. My rears Are 14x7 painted rally's the "rare" ones also. welded plates on back of those too. drilled out for studs before I welded on. Nobody really likes the 72 Suncoupe Rally's I do. I have (3) sets of wheels for my car. for change ups.
     
  11. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    If I was to go junkyarding in search of some 15x7 OEM wheels, what exactly would I be looking for and how broad was the use for these plain wheels in terms of different makes?
     
  12. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    Excellent info guys. Thanks. I think Rich may be our resident expert on which wheels to look for? Up until about 10-15 years ago you could still buy them from Hayes. I hate using repro parts, especially with the NOS trim I have, but had resolved that I was just going to get repro wheels on SS396.com as I assumed they were correct since Chevelles used the same trim ring. Does anyone know?
     
  13. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    We got ours off of police cruisers , 77-90 Caprice/impala they have the 4.75 bolt pattern.
     
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  14. Jim Jones

    Jim Jones Wretched Excess

    My original 15x7" steel wheels are coded WH by the valve stem hole, and dated mid-March 1970. I don't believe this WH application code was adopted until the middle of the model year however, so wheels produced earlier, may have different stamped characters.

    The Trim rings were used on many different GM applications, and were revised or modified as the years passed. From what I have been able to determine, the original application of the trim ring was on the 1967 Corvette. These rings had a round hole for the valve stem, and four retention clips. They were again used on the 1969 Z-28 Camaro, and again had four retention clips. At some point the valve stem hole became oval, but I don't know (or care) which hole style is correct for the Z-28. By the time they were applied to 1970-71 GS cars the hole was oval, but they still had four retention clips. They were also used on certain Pontiac, and other Chevy vehicles at least through 1974, but at some point the four clip method to retain the ring to the wheel was superseded by a multiple clip system. I am not certain when this occurred, but most NOS rings feature this multi-clip system of retention.

    15_Trim RingO.jpg 15_Trim Ring R.jpg
     
  15. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

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  16. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    That's them
     
  17. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Okay great!

    Thanks!
     
  18. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Even if they're off an 85 LeSabre?
     
  19. 70sportwagon

    70sportwagon Silver Level contributor

    The B Body cars from 1977 to 1987 will have the small bolt pattern 15 x 7 wheels like in the picture, they are close to the originals but not identical. They look great with the caps and rings though and I pick them up for $15 each at the u pull it yard regularly.

    The only ones to avoid are the severe service package and station wagons as they seem to have the 5 on 5 pattern instead of the 5 on 4.75 for the A bodies.
     
  20. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    They have a lip similar to the WG's too or the ones I have do, they'll hold a quarter
     

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