Time slip analysis

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by skylark7deuce, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Figure out the converter slip. Looks like you are driving right through whatever converter you are using. Need tire height.
     
  2. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    Tire height is 28".
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    OK, RPM (with no converter slip) = 336/tire height X rear axle ratio X MPH.

    336/28 X 4.10 X 93 = 4576. You are going through the traps at say 5800. That is like 27% slip. The converter is too loose?
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2017
  4. Briz

    Briz Founders Club Member

    Im running a little bit more power / tq with a 4500 converter that flashes right around the advertised rating. 4:56 gear TH 400. with 29.5" tires. and shift @ 5800. go through the traps under 6000 on the 1/8 mile 1.42 60' and 6.60's at 102 mph.
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    336/29.5 X 4.56 X 102 =5298 RPM. That's about 12% slip.
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2017
  6. Robs455

    Robs455 Well-Known Member

    Made the engine this power on a chassis dyno or test stand?
     
  7. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    I made on the test stand...pulling to 6k rpm only
     
  8. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    Went to the track again yesterday..Last day for the next few months...slower time but much of the same. Ran 7.33,36,37 and a .67 in the bad lane. Best 60 ft was a 1.61 when loading up on the converter top the max..around 2600-2700.

    My goal is a 10 sec street car so my mind will be churning this Christmas.
     
  9. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    What does the converter flash too
     
  10. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    I don't know the flash rpm.
     
  11. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    Based on your mph ie Horsepower, you're going to need to see around 4200 flash stall. Try it two ways once off the footbrake while up on it , then off idle, granted you would need to be at the track and hooking to get accurate numbers. Or just get one built for your setup over the winter, don't let 4200stall scare you, I drove mine everywhere with 4200flash stall if uts a good converter it's not that bad. 3500 3800 etc just isn't going to get you where you want to be
     
  12. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    Using a 4200 stall...what was your max foot-brake rpm?
     
  13. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I would guess maybe 3600? What does your car weigh with you in it?
     
  14. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    It would go to around 2800 brake stall before it started to spin.

    If I brake stalled it I would see about 4k flash stall, if I stabbed if from 1500 it would hit 4200.

    It 60'd better if I got up on the converter tho
     
  15. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    My car is 3700 with me in it.
     
  16. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    Guys, what is the idea timing setting for optimal performance. I'm running 33 degrees.
     
  17. GS Kubisch

    GS Kubisch THE "CUT-UP" BUICK

    The MPH shows that you're missing about 100 HP from your dyno numbers.

    Did you dyno with the FiTech?

    I think 33 degrees should be in the ballpark.

    608 HP at 3700lbs should run high 10s easily but it's going to need to be around 100mph at the 1/8th
     
  18. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    Yes we did dyno with the fitech.

    Looking at data logs...it may be running a little rich...the a/f ratio is 12.6 which is our target at WOT but the O2 sensor is reporting a lambda below 100 which indicates a rich mixture so we'll take a look at that and timing adjustments the next time out.
     
  19. skylark7deuce

    skylark7deuce Well-Known Member

    OK guys been a while but I finally got some good data and actually learned how to read it. If you look at the RPMs on the attached logs I'm going straight from stall speed to 5ooo rpm which is near the top of my power band. The RPMs were also climbing a bit faster than I could shift (hence the high rpm shifts).

    I spoke with the engine builder and he recommends a 4000-4500 stall, considering where I make max torque. I recently purchased a converter from Coan the should do the trick. Will follow-up with and update once installed and raced.

    Mike
     

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  20. bill dedrick

    bill dedrick Well-Known Member

    What size M/T ET Street tires? Height? What is your brake stall rpm and flash stall rpm with the converter?
     

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