I just got the turbo kit from Burton machine, WOW all the parts are perfect, great fit and finish! If anyone is thinking about going with a boosted SBB you should look into one of Mark's kits, no guess work, he did it all. I can wait the get this motor going. I will try to post some pics soon and let you all know how it works. More to come! THANKS MARK:beers2:
lots of pic as you go would be cool. Also knowing what your engine is like or set up. Mike you got nervers of steel, id be out there 24/7 till done.
ah nothing ever goes right for me...i see no point as i still dont have my forged rods and pistons i must have screw me off writtin on my forehead lol if pics arent posted soon i/ll post some up... as i actually need to go through and see if i have the right gaskets oh and happy early bday mark
1) Yes you can run this kit on stock motor and I think Mark told me the he had been run this on a stock motor with a cam for 2 or 3 years. 2) I think the forged carrillo rods with custom pistons could be a easy way to get the extra strength for about $1000. Not too bad. May cost less if a few people get interested and we can get a group order on the pistons. 3) I will be posting pics and specs of the motor build as I go, I dont mind. Just need to finish some cement work at my house first.:TU:
yes you can, just need to watch youre boost...tune and revs my prob is my bottom end went and i;m waiting on my hershe rods/pistons..still...hope those babies get delivered mondaynight...otherwise i'm going to be a lil ticked
Oh ok, Id be happy with 3 psi just to see the look on folks faces when they hear a big ole station wagon turbo spool, if I don't find a lark before then.
I am sorry it has taken me so long to update this original post of my Mark Burton turbo kit, I had some health issues. I ordered a twin turbo kit modified to fit my exact application, a few months of carful measuring, design and many email/phone conversations with Mark of Burton machine. The issues are fully explained in another thread so I dont feel the need to beat a dead horse, here are a few highlights. The kit took almost a full year after full payment was received before the parts finally arrived. About 10 months after they were promised. The day they arrived I was contacted by Mark and asked to give his kit a good review so he could sell more of them, I was basically told what it should say. Now this is all on me!!!! I did not fully inspect the kit and went off what had up to then be the words of a man who I thought was a good and honest person, I was wrong and I am sorry for the incomplete review. The fabrication of the manifolds and carb hat are dismal at best, several of my concerns of welding slag and seam construction were brushed off! Now I know why Marks would not show me maps for the turbo, they are cheep Chinese knock offs!! The design changes that were carefully spelled out were not adhered to! The manifolds did not fit, not even close!!!! I explained to Mark than I was looking to end up with a RWHP of 550-600, He told me that would be no problem with his kit. I fallowed his setup and ended with 371RWHP, not even close!!!!!!!!! I tried several times over quite a long period of time to work with Mark to fix these mistakes but he would not honor his word or our agreement. I basically was ripped off; a poorly designed and fabricated turbo kit that did not meet what was ordered with no support from the person who built it!! I found a great way to flush away $2400+shipping!!! I was tor up one side and down the other for my post exposing this issue; I was called a liar and a conman sorry maybe an inside joke Since then I decided to fully test all the components of this turbo kit to make sure I was not allowing emotions to cloud proper judgment. Here is the quick build sheet of my test vehicle and motor. 1965 Buick Skylark, 12 bolt posi rear with 3.73 gears. Six speed T56 transmission. The motor is a 1972 Buick 350, .030 over with cast pistons and stock rods T/A aluminum intake, pretty close to stock spec cam, lightly ported heads, all the oil mods were done to the block, I used an edelbrock carb converted to a blow through per Marks specifications. I drove my favorite Skylark 4791 miles over the last 7 months. The performance was dismal; the 550-600RWHP I was promised was no ware near obtained. Instead I got to 371RWHP fallowing a recipe put together by the manufacturer of the turbo kit. The spooling was very slow and the power fell off fast, the turbos are not properly sized for the application, they must have been on sale The welding I had concerns about with the carb hat did in fact crack, I had to drive it during the week and re-weld on the weekend Never mind that I had to do a lot of additional fabrication to even get this kit into the car it was supposedly made for. The waist gates were in the way of the down pipe that leads right in to the master cylinder. The manifolds had many welds that did not fully penetrate and the interior was covered in mig welding slag and small bits of wire! The great high temp coating took several minutes to burn off! My fears of what would happen were fully realized when all that garbage began to let loose after a few heat cycles. The kit let loose in spectacular fashion when the turbine separated from the compressor and tried to pop out the tailpipe!!!! Most people would be very angry but by this point all I could do was laugh. and call a tow truck. To all who have contacted me in support, thank you!! I am not the only one who has had this kind of experience with Mark of Burton machine, I will not tell you the things they have told me, I will let them if they wish. I had many pictures of the poor construction, the constant repairs, the dyno sheets and tune but I think this one will sum it all up! I cannot recommend this kit or this manufacturer to anyone!!! Absolute garbage accompanied by even worse service. This was my first and last time dealing with Mark Burton of Burton machine, he was anxious to get his hands on my money and never delivered what was promised!
Seems strange you are the only one with issues with your kit... All the others I know of are working fine without any issues. As for the power, I am sure no one PROMISED you would make a certain HP and 371 HP at the wheels with a basically stock 350 sounds good to me. What was the torque peak and was it down at about 3200 RPM... Seems funny as the turbos are sized correctly.
I'm pretty happy with the setup. I've had no issues with the turbos, wastegates, carb hat, or manifolds. I had alot of issues getting things going at first but they were all due to my lack of knowledge.. It seemed obvious to me that the kit was coming with generic turbos and wastegates with the price.. After all.. name brand turbos are 7-800 each.. After I have it all setup the car runs like a beast. It easilly over powers the giant DRs ot back and has run a best of 7.70 at 92 in the 8th. (89* air) It will run in the 7.50s when I get a little more track time and some good air this fall. This is a STREET car that anyone can drive. It idles like a stock and is quiet as a mouse.. The 1/8 mile time is very much on par the fastest SC'd Camaro that makes 550 crank HP.. I think I make about 500 at the crank.. Maybe a little less.. I'm not sure what you are thinking if you have a basically stock 350 that makes maybe 200 HP.. 175 at the wheels if you are lucky.. Then you add 8psi of boost and expect tripple the output?? Your car should run pretty well with 371RWHP.. Maybe something about your kit is different?? My little turbos spool almost immediately.. I spraying methanol with a 6GPH nozzle that comes on at 5psi of boost. I'm on my 9th gallon. That's 4800 seconds under boost.. assuming a 12 second 1/4 mile. that's 400 passes.. I'm no defending Mark, but Mark has no intention to rip anyone off. At the very least, he has gone way out of his way to try to make some cool stuff for the Buick 350, and will likely NEVER recoup the time he has invested.. End of story..
Just this has been my experience, 371RWHP would be okay but not the 550-600RWHP I was promised! I decided after I started this evaluation I had better see it through, and I did. Not the fit, or performance I paid for..... Ending in broken parts and unimpressive performance, this has not been my first build and I do know how to tune a car with or without a turbo. Then again these are just the words of a "liar and a con man" Sorry a bit of an inside joke....... thank you for that post it made for a good laugh!
I dont know either Mark or you, but for me to accept your statement of him selling you a kit for an intended 500-600RWHP setup I'd like to see proof of that commitment ... something like an email of the agreed specifics or an invoice stating such claim. ... otherwise, to my eyes its just lip service
youll never get 500-600wrhp out of stock you would need forged bottom end with headwork,cam and 12to 14psi to acheive that number...or hi comp with e85 with stock block build or even mild build an 8spi you'll be in the 240 to maybe 350 range in hp id only expect abour 40 to 50% gain in simply bolting this turbo kit on 175hp engine x .5 = 87.5 hp gain + 175 = 262,5hp total if i were to do this again id simply would have just got turbo manifolds and purchased a pair 62-1 turbo instead of the kits t04e I think these are a little more suited to a stock/ to moderate 350 build t45s if it was a serious build ---------- Post added at 03:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:46 PM ---------- ps did any of you guys have to do anything with the oil dipstick tube? mine seems to interfere with the turbo manifold ---------- Post added at 04:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:52 PM ---------- dyno vid of twinturbo kit on bone stock 100k on 6psi via 1971 350 engine yeilded 278.5hp and 363.5 ft lbs ...can see in dyno realtime on dyno in vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8jMXTJeOU
stock.. 9.0 at 76 in the 1/8th.. 1.9 60 ft GOOD AIR Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 272.19 flywheel HP and 244.97 rear wheel HP. 8 PSI 7.70 at 92 .. 1.85 60 ft SUCKY 89* AIR Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 482.83 flywheel HP and 434.55 rear wheel HP. These numbers are from Wallace Racing calculators.. But that is about any rational person would expect that 8 PSI of boost would gain.. It's a turbo.. Not a F'n magic box.. The car will run a 7.50 at about 93 like it is.. Which is right on for the 500 crank HP that I expected.. These #s are with a 1.7 60 and 93 mph.. Your HP computed from your vehicle MPH is 498.75 flywheel HP and 448.87 rear wheel HP. I'll be running 12PSI this fall if all goes well.. ---------- Post added at 08:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:24 PM ---------- Yeah.. I cut the mounting tab off and bent (formed) it a little to fit.. IIRC I ground a little slot for it to sit in and epoxied it in the engine as well.. It's easy on the stand..
Thanks jay...btw did you hage your turbo oil feed lines..I recall you outing them on front of oil pan. With kit sized supply lines..and a pic that sen posted of your engine you had massive line going to side of pan?
And thiis one is fun.. If you poke in 7.70 and 92 MPH Your 0 to 60 time is: 3.28 Probably not quite that fast.. But still?? ---------- Post added at 08:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:43 PM ---------- OK.. Put the beer down.. And ask that again.. Before I drink more..
