Value question on 70 Stage1 Convertible

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Smartin, Nov 25, 2023.

  1. racenu

    racenu Well-Known Member

    Like my wife would say, it’s only paint, as she changes the room colour a year later. I know your customer had his heart set on a gsx theme and was adamant about it when I talked to him a year or 2 ago. He hoped to pass the car onto his daughter and keep it in the family, she seemed to like the gsx theme as well from what he said.
     
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  2. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    You think even with the sheltered life it will lead after restoration?
     
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  3. cjp69

    cjp69 Gold Level Contributor

    IMO painting it in a yellow GSX scheme and adding spoilers is at least a $25-50k hit.
     
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  4. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Oh yeah, especially the deck lid.
     
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  5. Redmanf1

    Redmanf1 Gold Level Contributor

    Titian red with GSX stripes and spoilers No hood tach, black top and int since you already have it. Leave the emblems even not correct for GSX. Even if he sells most will think trunk lid $100 or repair the holes and a repaint. Color change to a color like that will not happen. So worst case knock of $20k.
    I went through the same dilemma with my 72 stage-1 zone car. I had the interior out ready to weld in the bucket seat brackets and decided I could not do that to such a significant car. I will say now that if it was just a stage 1 it would have buckets with GSX equipment. I found a 72 skylark to do the GSX items but I just cannot live with the colors. The problem with (just find a skylark) is going through paint shop hell and that is if you find a rust free body. It sounds like he has been waiting a long time for this car and now has a chance to get it done in a timely manner, so I completely understand him not wanting to find another car. Nine times out of ten a color change from a non-popular color to one that is, it is a positive. None of us are getting any younger so I say do as you want. NO matter what pick a color that you want, Good luck with whatever you decide.
     
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  6. rolliew

    rolliew Well-Known Member

    Car was originally harvest gold with burnished saddle interior and sandalwood top...

    but if the GSX theme is tossed out the window, we would go with a 1970 correct paint color and black interior/likely black top.

    I happen to like harvest gold enough to stick to that as it is the original color. I really like gold in fact.

    Color change?
    Diplomat blue
    Gulfstream blue
    Sherwood green
    and quite a few other factory 70 colors
    would all be equally nice looking and not a turn off to me personally.

    Problem is you never know what the next buyer would want, maybe this client is not all that worried about it.
    If the numbers don't match anyways then maybe not that big of a deal in the end.
     
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  7. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Thank you all for your opinions.
     
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  8. Brian Albrecht

    Brian Albrecht Classic Reflections

    It has a near double out there. I think this car comes off as a beautiful GS with GSX stripes and spoiler added. It's not trying to hard to be a GSX. As much as I like it, I don't think it could even beat a '67 GS in a popularity contest :D

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  9. Brian Albrecht

    Brian Albrecht Classic Reflections

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  10. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    If this wasn't a real 70 Stage1 convertible, I wouldn't be asking this question. Which is why I feel the need to make sure the client is aware of the possible hit he would take if he were to paint this car in a GSX theme.
     
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  11. 1972 Stage 1

    1972 Stage 1 Well-Known Member

    Adam-is he dead set on Saturn Yellow? I was thinking that if you paint it Apollo White, use decals instead of painted stripes, no hood tach or emblems, and paint two deck lids it would be a decent compromise. Then it could be converted back fairly easily/cheap, and is still a 70 color (Arctic White).
     
  12. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Possibly, but white might be a tough sell. I'll circle back around with him after he soaks this all in.
     
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  13. gokitty

    gokitty Platinum Level Contributor

    So,67s are not high on your list?
     
  14. cjp69

    cjp69 Gold Level Contributor

    Anybody have any insights on the highest price they have seen a non numbers matching GSX convertible bring at sale? And a non numbers matching Stage 1 convertible non gsx? I imagine the delta is pretty large. My original top end estimate of $50k may not even cover it.

    Another way to look at it would be to figure out the cost of a complete color change repaint (from yellow to a "standard color"), plus the cost to remove hood tach and repair hood (or add price of another hood) and repair trunk lid and drill emblem holes, plus cost of new emblems. Than add 25% for the hassle factor of a new owner having to have the work done. Then increase that amount by 5% for each year they expect to own the car (figuring the cost for this work will likely increase at a higher rate than the car appreciates).
     
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  15. Brian Albrecht

    Brian Albrecht Classic Reflections

    It's a joke. I think his 67 beat that 71 in a vote
     
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  16. rolliew

    rolliew Well-Known Member

    I'm with you, not too many real stage 1 convertibles to be found in original color body, top and interior.
    I doubt you would ever see two in these same colors, ever.
     
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  17. Joe B

    Joe B Well-Known Member

    I’m not a fan of the convertible GSX look. It just doesn’t look right to me and, since it wasn’t factory offered, it really stands out as fake. After that you have to wonder what else about it is fake (GS, Stage 1, options, etc). Ultimately, however, it is the owners decision on how to present the car, no matter how it turns out. It reminds me of the episode of Fantom Works where the ex-military pilot owner of a Cobra replica wants the car repainted as a Navy fighter jet, along with fake machine gun barrels coming out of the hood. They tried to discourage him but that is how he wanted it done. It came out as well as could be expected and he was thrilled with it but, to the vast majority, it was ridiculously hideous and severely reduced its resale potential. Btw, while I was at Southwest Airlines, a group of pilots “borrowed” a fellow pilot’s ‘67 Skylark while he was on a 3 day trip. When he returned it was painted as a Navy fighter and he was actually pleased with it.
     
  18. dylan!

    dylan! (magazine boy)

    adam, harvest gold on burnished sadle is a BEAUTIFUL color
    the 70' gs 350 that me and my father had (black saphire) was that color combo originally
     
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  19. rolliew

    rolliew Well-Known Member

     
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  20. rolliew

    rolliew Well-Known Member

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