water pump for stock 455 driver

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by hvramesq, Mar 2, 2020.

  1. No Lift

    No Lift Platinum Level Contributor

  2. FLGS400

    FLGS400 Gold Level Contributor

    Wow, thanks for that information!

    The reason that I chose the AC Delco unit is, I also have a 2004, 2500 series Suburban LT with the 8.1 in it and 138,000 miles on it. When the original fan clutch was getting weak, I replaced it with a non-AC Delco unit that didn't last very long (I don't think it was a Hayden product though). Since then, I have been a big fan of using AC Delco parts, whenever available, on my GM vehicles.
     
  3. No Lift

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  4. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    For those using the severe duty type fan clutches, they will need their cut in temp adjusted (lowered), as it is higher now.
     
  5. No Lift

    No Lift Platinum Level Contributor

    Wondering what that means or how it would be done on a mechanical clutch?
     
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Maybe tweak the thermostatic spring?
     
  7. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Oct 28, 2020
  8. No Lift

    No Lift Platinum Level Contributor

    Good info there about the tweaking. I could see where a higher start temp could be a problem with a 160* thermostat. I'd recommend running it as-is and get a refrence temperature before changing anything on the clutch. Get the car up to running temp and see where it starts to kick in(or not kick in).

    Interesting too about how much lower the original factory temperature settings were. In my case I don't mind the engine running a little hotter when cruising around to keep the mileage up. Once they start to engage they will cool plenty. On my '65 GS w/455 that worked out well at the track. If the car was cooled off decent between rounds the clutch would disconnect after a few seconds of running time and be disconnected for a run. You really don't want any fan clutch to be locked up tight on a run because that fan is really blowing the air and soaking up the HP. For a hot climate cruiser I'd work with the tweaks if I didn't like the running temp.

    I'm thinking any current AC Delco clutch made these days is pretty generic as far as the cut-in temp. Most emissions era vehicles would definitely want to see higher temps. My RMW runs around 195*(at the head,no less) pretty much most of the time, including towing a big load, so the fan clutch must be doing the job when necessary.
     
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  9. FLGS400

    FLGS400 Gold Level Contributor

    Thanks for posting up all the good information! When the time comes maybe I'll try the Hayden fan clutch.

    After looking at a small stream of gear oil under the car last night, it appears that I'll be doing the pinion seal next... Ugh.
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    http://www.v8buick.com/index.php?threads/hd-cooling-fan-clutch-for-a-71-455.99450/

    The only problem is the pilot hole for this fan clutch is shallow, and the 455 long water pump has enough shaft projection above the flange to prevent the fan clutch from fully seating. Some guys hack saw the shaft or drill the pilot hole deeper. The above clutch fits the short pump no problem. Not sure about the Hayden clutch?
     
  11. FLGS400

    FLGS400 Gold Level Contributor

    Larry, I'm pretty sure that the 1969 400 in my car has the short pump. This was something I had looked at when considering the replacement water pump.

    Definitely a consideration for those with long pump big blocks though.
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Yes, you should have the short pump. Some numbers from the above linked thread,

    Thank You Scott, (87GN_70GS)

    Airtex 2797TA $62 from carparts.com
    Delco 15-4320
    Everco A5570 $66 carparts.com
    4Seasons 36704 $70 rockauto.com
    Flex-a-lite 5649 $126 AdvanceAuto
    Imperial 215045 $49 AdvanceAuto
    Murray 271301 $69 NAPA
    TRW FC 135 $125 AdvanceAuto
    Hayden 2797 $58 AdvanceAuto
    Ready-Aire 4845 $84 AdvanceAuto
     
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  13. FLGS400

    FLGS400 Gold Level Contributor

    Thank you Larry!
     
  14. 87GN_70GS

    87GN_70GS Well-Known Member

    The slick clutch setup would be something like the really modern cars have; mechanical fan with an electronically operated viscous clutch. If the mounting could be figured out, I could probably come up with the electronics (they have this large nut screw on type mounting, instead of the 4 studs).
     

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