Just curious if any kick panels were carpeted on 70-72 Skylark/GS? I have seen a few but thought this may be just someone customizing them. I know AC were not but how about non-AC?
......."I know AC were not but how about non-AC?" Dave that's not quite right, here is how the carpeting went; If you had a 70 car with the deluxe/custom interior then the kicks got carpeted. The kit was different for AC vs non-AC but both style kicks would have been carpeted. For 71-72 cars the kick panel carpeting was dropped, so both cars with deluxe & standard interiors received nothing. Duane
Duane, thanks. Very good information. I Never could make heads or tails with what I have seen. Of course people swap things over the years confusing the issue. Funny Olds never use them as far as I know.
Dave, Don't go blaming Olds for not doing something Buick did. As far as I know Buick was the only company that had kick panel carpets on the small cars. The only reason I know about this is because I used to make these "kick panel carpet sets" for the Buicks guys that wanted everything correct, like the guys putting their cars in Concours. I had to stock extra carpet yardage in all the colors so it was guaranteed to match the molded carpet kits I sold. Duane
Exactly... Just like the glove box door bumper grommet that apparently was used only on the Buick. I believe Duane used to make those as well. There are lots of little extras, structural pieces, body mounts, etc. that make a Buick better! :TU:
Exactly... Just like the glove box door bumper grommet that apparently was used only on the Buick. I believe Duane used to make those as well. There are lots of little extras, structural pieces, body mounts, etc. that make a Buick better! :TU:
No evidence of carpeting ever being on my 71 which is custom interior. This would be right in line with Duane's explanation.
Now here is another interior stumper. Were your headliners the perforated or non-perforated material. All the listings from the suppliers say that 71 GS had perforated material. My car and all the other GS's from 71 I have checked were not perforated. I think 70 may have had the perf. type. Any logic to this?(rag tops need not apply)
Duane seems to be correct . . . My '70 Skylark Custom is an A/C car, deluxe interior, with carpeted kick panels. Guess the factory was cutting cost on carpet in '71/'72 :laugh:
Dave, As far as perf vs non-perf headlining; All the 70-72 Buicks that I have ever seen used the non-perf headliner material, as did the Oldsmobiles. Only Chevies & Pontiacs used the perf in those years. If you put a perf headliner in a 70-72 Buick get ready to have your a** handed to you during judging, and before anyone asks, I could give a sh** what any of the "catalogues" say. Do you think they are correct? Duane Now if you really want to know what I think....................... PS. What catalogues list perf as correct, and have you looked in a Year One Catalogue, I believe they list the correct style for each year.
Duane, the latest Year One catolog I have is a few years old and they listed our cars as having perforated on GS 70-71 anyway non-perf on Skylark. Not sure about latest. I think ditto for OPG. Will have to check again. SMS(I know how you like them) sent me a sample package of all my materials and they sent perf but noted they have the non-perf as well.
OK, I just checked Year Ones site and they still are listing them wrong. They have been listing them wrong for over ten years at least I guess. I wonder how many guys they have cost points in concourse because they went with their listings. Here is how they list them: They list the non-perf for 70-72 Skylark, Skylark 350 and GS 350. They list the perf as being used on 70-72 GS455??????? I know it is like this in all my old catalogs as well as the current website.
Dave, Yeah I checked out an old YO catalogue and saw they list both the perf & non-perf headliners for the 70-72 Skylarks/GS's. They also list both the Chevy style Automatic Disc brake pedal pads, and the correct ones that I sell, which only shows how you cannot trust all catalogues when you order something. That's why it's imperative that the customer does his homework before purchasing parts that may be incorrect for his car. (And often the best way of doing this is to look at the pieces that actually came off your car.) Right now we have suppliers selling decal sets where a single set will do any one particular car, ie there is a set for a 70 GSX, a 70 GS, a 71 GS, etc. They don't take into account the differences between AC vs non-AC, engine types, different plants, etc. It's one size fits all. Then on top of that they added a bunch of other decals that none of the judges I have talked to have ever seen on a Buick. My biggest pet peeve has always been with wholesalers not doing their homework before listing parts in their catalogues. I can't begin to tell you how often I end up correcting these problems on the show field. With the result being that the poor owner gets points deducted because he/she didn't know that parts were incorrect, and that's just a shame. However there are a few venders that do go the extra mile, Fusick (for the Oldsmobiles) and Ames Performance (for the Pontiacs), are two that come to mind. Duane PS. Dave, I thought you were going to call me some night so we could discuss a bunch of your restoration questions instead of me having to continually type the answers here. I am getting real tired of typing, and am still waiting for the phone call. Maybe I will stop answering your questions, and see if you call. Yep, I think that's what I'll do.:laugh:
Jumping back to the kick panels....were the 65-67 and 68-69 GS kick panels carpeted? Was the GS340 an exception or the GS350? Was there any deluxe or custom interior equivalent for these years on the GS?
RichW, I vaguely remember making some for the 69 Deluxe/Custom interiors but can't swear to that. I don't remember regarding the 68's and never made kits for the 64-67 cars. Duane
