Where is the carburetor idle adjustment screw on the Rochester ?

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  1. 1973gs

    1973gs Well-Known Member

    That's correct. The diagram that is posted is for fast idle adjustment, not curb idle. There is a curb (base) idle speed screw on the other side of the carburetor.
     
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  2. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Right.

    So by the logic of the diagram, you adjust the fast idle with the engine warmed up and the fast idle cam on the lowest step, I.E. - choke open.
     
  3. 1968_GS400

    1968_GS400 Founders Club Member


    Does it mean 1 step before the choke is fully open, so the fast idle is 20 rpm over the curb idle just before it kicks over to curb idle?
     
  4. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    This part of explanation in the chassis service manual always confused me as well. I still don't understand what they meant.
     
  5. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Exactly - it makes no sense.

    Once the fast idle cam drops to the first step, the only idle that can - and will - be adjusted is base/curb idle.

    I blame the editors. They missed that section in 3 years of chassis manuals from what I've read.
     
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  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The fast idle cam has steps that increase idle speed. You can move the cam by hand if you open the throttle a bit. Place it on the low step, and then adjust the idle with the fast idle screw to 620 RPM in Drive.

    I find it easier to adjust the fast idle when the engine first starts to 14-1500 RPM. Play with the screw until you get that adjustment right. I made a video after installing my Electric choke. I had to play with the adjustment until I got it right. After starting it cold, the fast idle is approximately 1500 RPM. The fast idle cam rotates with the choke blade. The choke blade is opened by the primary vacuum choke unloader upon start up. I then step on the gas a bit, and the cam rotates to a lower step. The engine then idles at 1000-1100 RPM. I put the transmission in gear, and it idles dead cold in gear. Perfect.

     
  7. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    I get it now, adjusting at the low step of the fast idle cam.
    I set the fast idle cam on a cold engine (highest step on cam) so it would not make too much rpm. Stepping on the gas a bit makes it lower a step down on the cam like you mentioned. All good now.
     
  8. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Maybe I'm missing something here?

    Once that fast idle cam is on the lowest step, doesn't that take the fast idle adjustment out of the equation?

    Orrr...are we taking into account that the thermostat spring isn't fully constricted yet, thereby keeping the fast idle screw in play because the chassis manual states the engine should be warmed up.
     
  9. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    Yes Brett, the engine should still be idling on the fast idle cam but on the lowest step that's where you can adjust the fast idle cam to 620 rpm but like it said i don't do that i only make sure that the rpm's on the highest step (of the fast idle cam) don't go past 1500 rpm. When the choke is open and engine almost warm fast idle cam adjustment makes no sense.
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The only purpose for the adjustment on the low step, is to get the RPM correct on the higher steps. I just make the adjustment on the high step. I think that is a better way, especially if you have modifications, and the engine, ignition timing, and carburetor jetting are no longer stock.
     
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  11. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    You mean adjustment on the low step when the engine is still cold and the choke not fully open right?
     
  12. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    No, warm engine. It tells you that in the Chassis Manual.

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    I don't understand why this is such a big deal.:D Tweak the adjustment screw until you get a satisfactory fast idle speed when you start the engine cold. I aim for 14-1500 RPM.
     
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  13. 1969briviera

    1969briviera Antique Gold Poly

    I know. It's not a big of a deal at all. But on a warm engine it means you have to set the fast idle cam on the first step to adjust. That does not make sense to me. Better to adjust it like you said on the high step, engine cold. I think it is not that great of advise from the old Chassis Service Manual.
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    OK, it is what it is:), just do it my way and be done with it.
     
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  15. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    It makes zero sense.

    How do you adjust the fast idle on a warmed up engine when the choke is completely open, the thermostat spring is fully constricted and the fast idle cam is dropped - due to gravity - to the lowest possible position it can be?

    I'll stick with adjusting it cold.
     
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  16. 1968_GS400

    1968_GS400 Founders Club Member


    1968 manual has different procedure. It says you don’t have to adjust the fast idle screw at all, only the choke rod. That’s confusing me even more.

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