Why a conflict with wiring diagram for year model?

Discussion in 'Sparky's corner' started by mjt, Mar 18, 2010.

  1. mjt

    mjt Well-Known Member

    I did a Google search today searching for a wiring diagram for
    my car and, fortunately, found one. (I have another post in
    here related to this - turn signal issues).

    Ok, so I looked at the wiring diagram for my '64 LeSabre
    and the wire colors are in conflict with my car. So I go back
    to the website and thought, "let me check another year model
    for my car and see if it shows a match (wire colors)".

    So I checked out the wiring diagram for the 1963 LeSabre
    and that diagram matches the wires' colors for my car!

    As an example, the wire which goes from the turn signal
    switch in the column to the LR bulb is yellow for the 1964
    and is green/white for the 1963 diagram (which matches
    what my car has).

    These diagrams are very obviously scanned in ... why is
    there a conflict like this? Is my car is an "early" production
    1964, inheriting the wiring harnesses from the '63?
     
  2. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Whats the source of the schematics?
     
  3. mjt

    mjt Well-Known Member

    I can't post a URL until I've posted 10 posts (how dumb).

    But let's try a workaround ... this is the 1st part of the URL:
    (put w w w and DOT in front of it first)

    tocmp.com/

    now, add this to the end:

    tOCMP/wiring/5765wiring%20diagrams/buickindex.htm
     
  4. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

  5. mjt

    mjt Well-Known Member

    Sheesh ... you can't even post replies which have
    URLs posted within them.


    Thanks Devon ... I'm one post closer to being "able".
     
  6. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    No problem, glad to help.

    Devon
     
  7. 64LeSabre455

    64LeSabre455 Well-Known Member

    I have seen these wiring diagrams but never paid much attention to them.
    Electricity and wiring are not my friends!

    My guess is your car has an earlier build date so they used leftovers from 63.
    Have you tried decoding your trim tag for build date?
     
  8. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    The diagrams you posted are from a "Motor" type manual, which is an aftermarket source as I suspected. I would bet the 1964 Buick Service manual has the correct color wiring diagram.
     
  9. tom_gonzalez@ve

    tom_gonzalez@ve Well-Known Member

    Send me a PM with your e-mail and I will send you a scan of the 1964 Buick wiring diagrams from the shop manual.
     
  10. mjt

    mjt Well-Known Member

    Checked the VIN and all is correct :) "1964 LeSabre built in KS"
    and the last 6 digits are for the production numbers. Starting
    number is "001001", going up. My prod number is "028526",
    which means mine is the 27,525 car off the line - doesn't make
    sense, unless I'm decoding it rwong ... there were only 6,685
    1964 LeSabre convertibles built.

    I checked the Body Number Plate and have this for the
    [Body] Production Sequence ... "Body: BK 766", which
    makes more sense. I assume that means mine is the
    766'th body built at the Kansas City plant.
     
  11. RAbarrett

    RAbarrett Well-Known Member

    After spending some time with the OEM's, I have seen a pattern even in one plant. Taking your '64 for example, let's say that in the model run, there were some '63 harnesses available, or left over. These would be used before the '64 harnesses were used. Further, suppose that at Packard, where GM harnesses were manufactured, something either reduced the availability of the harnesses, requiring the use of one from a similar model, such as the Electra. Even if the actual '64 harnesses were available, it is possible for the elements, such as heat, oxidation, or age to change wire colors. It is even possible for that particular vehicle for there to have been a wiring issue during check out at the factory, requiring a replacement harness, or partial harness. It is also possible for a GM dealer, servicing the vehicle, to use a different harness as a replacement. Anytime I need a schematic, I always consider the use of different models or model year harnesses. It is even possible for the outfit creating the scematic to make a mistake, and the supervisors or managers to either miss it or let it go anyway. So many possibilities, so little time...
     
  12. mjt

    mjt Well-Known Member

    Interesting information, Ray ... thanks for the details. I can
    certainly see these scenarios work ... in the long run, it's
    always about the bottom line :)

    For my vehicle, once I discovered the wire color discrepancy
    (concerning the rear lights), I did spot checks in other sections
    of the car, and indeed, all harnesses in the car are from the
    1963 model year.

    Thanks again for the feedback!
     

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