Hello all - been awhile. Nothing new on my ride - I'm don't have the funds. I am curious whether we could use the new Sunoco 260 GTX as a straight substitute for leaded racing fuel or not? Someone will have to try... We may all have to if leaded competely goes away - or put in the hardened seats. http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/headlines/cup/01/20/nascar.fuel/index.html http://www.nascar.com/2006/news/business/01/31/sunoco_fuel/index.html No leaded fuel in Canada at all? Copo Pete or anyone - is that true? o No:
There has been no leaded gas on the street for a number of years. You can buy some leaded gas at some tracks, but very, very expensive. Also you can buy 104 no lead at some places. I put hardened valve seats in some of my stuff, but you can also run the 100LL as mentioned. It is blue. The old 110 leaded ave was green, but no longer available. The 100LL still has 10 times the lead that leaded street gas used to have. Peter
Here are the relative ratings of fuels that I normalized for the same rating method. Avgas is not rated by the same method as auto fuel so you have to make that adjustment. http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42675 100 ll is 2 grams pb per gallon and straight 100 is 4 grams pb per gallon.
Wrong wording Wrong way to put my question - my bad! ou: Will the discontinuance of leaded RACING fuel by NASCAR mean the discontinuance of racing fuel for all? (I know all about the availablity of race fuels, you're not supposed to run the fuel in a street car, etc. Don't tell the EPA but 110 leaded is pretty much all I ran in my 68' Hurst/Olds!) My question really is - will the NHRA and IHRA follow suit? I guess thanks to Pro Stocks they couldn't. To put it another way, what impact will NASCAR's decision have to the Pure Stocks and FAST classes and the availability of leaded RACING fuel in general. Could NHRA and IHRA say to the Sportsman classes, "Too Bad - Unleaded Fuel only"?
I don't think it'll have much effect on Pure Stock as you can still get lead additives. FAST guys have funny smells coming from their tailpipes anyway. I think all this will mean is NASCAR will change the rules, the engine builders will make a whole lot more money, little guys will be squeezed a little more, etc. Don't think it will affect anything in our worlds. Then again, if someone finds a way to make these things run better on ethanol, Rusty and Hodges and those guys out in corn country will have a distinct advantage. I'm quite cuious about the Bio-diesel. Have a coupla acres out back that could be put in corn and enough room for a little still. Just filled up the Power Stroke F250 yesterday and love paying $2.59.9 when unleaded premium was $2.33.9/gallon at the same station (regular wa $2.13.9). Then again it did get cold last night, good enough reason to raise heating fuel, kerosene, diesel and that whole family a half a buck or so......and let it drift down slowly until the next cold snap. Big brother's meddling again...............
The guy in the linked article said fuel was not sexy........ I dunno......hearing those cars rumble around the corner followed by a good wiff of race gas.......... p :TU: Replace that with unleaded.......not the same. Next will be more quiet exhaust. The whole thing of watching a pack of jelly beans race around has been pretty boring to me anyway. Around my house there are four stations I know of that have race gas at the pump. I suppose as long as it is profitable we can hang on. When unleaded spikes to over $3.00 race gas doesn't look so bad :laugh: Ahh...the pre jelly bean days.
Brian, after watching NASCAR's Mike Helton warn drivers during the pre-race meeting, while using the phrase "aggressive driving", I was totally convinced that racing (in NASCAR) is a big myth. It's now official, NASCAR is 99% about advertising, and 1% about racing. :rant: Dave, regarding E-85 or any other alchohol products for fuel; For several years now, Patrick Bedard at Car & Driver, has been pointing out that the distillation process for producing ethanol uses far more energy than it yields. You've got to heat that still up with something, and natural gas is what is currently used. Were it not for massive government subsidies, ethanol (calorie for calorie) would cost many times the price of an equivalent amount of fossil fuel. Talk about a boondoggle. :rant: I think I'll trying getting up on the other side of bed tomorrow. :grin:
EXACTLY, Steve! It's like what Stefina says about the electric cars and hybrids and such: that people *assume* that since the electrical outlet they plug their car into everyday is clean, that it's automatically "green" energy...but they forget about the coal plant down the street chugging out the electricity to charge up their people mover. The same scenario applys with gasoline as it does with coal electricity...they're both the cheapest forms of energy in their respective fields. And until someone finds a way around that simple fact, then it's gonna be hard to change much on a large scale... -------------------------------- Hillbilly Racing Team Tired of AutoZone's *limited* selection? Try the Pottery Barn!
Good grief, for once, I have to agree with the Steve-meister. ou: I grew up with an agricultral background and even went so far as to get my degree in agriculture. That being said, everyone looks at the the end result being green, but anyone who has taken science class knows that you do not 'make' energy, you 'convert' energy from one form to another. Every time you convert forms, you get a new form and a byproduct (typically heat) and lose a certain amount of efficiency. To grow the crops and make the yields that the corn (and wheat and sorghum) farmers are making today requires large amounts of nitrogen fertilizer. Prior to World War II, the main source of applied nitrogen fertilizer came from manure (cow and chicken). After that time, commercially produced fertilizers became available and the yields (after adding in some better hybrids of corn) grew by leaps and bounds. One of the cheapest forms of commercially available nitrogen is anhydrous ammonia. I won't go into the chemical conversions necessary to make this, but it takes huge amounts of energy (in the form of natural gas) to make the chemical changes occur. As a matter of fact, about 20 miles north of Steve is a facility that is one of many in the midwest producing anhydrous ammonia. That particular facility uses enough natural gas in one year to equal the amount used in the Kansas City Metro area (about 1.5 million) for 3 months of winter. So yes, we would be using a source of energy that is renewable, but no, it does not come without using other resources to get there. Maybe if they use some of the ethanol that they are making to heat the still, it would be better, but you still have the logistics, handling, hardware, facilities, supply and demand... to contend with. Mind you, I still think it is better than dependence on foreign oil. I just don't think it is the final solution! :Smarty:
Hey Dave, as far as biodiesel, I have a website for you to go to. Freedom Fuel America . They were on Stacey Davids' Trucks program and they had a 'still' in which you take fry grease from KFC, McDonalds, etc., play Mr. Chemist with a titration kit to determine how much Lye and Methanol to blend into this ugly stuff to turn out a batch of diesel that you can burn and smell like a mobile fry cooker! :TU:
Just because the outlet isn't sooty..... The fry grease is another one.......... Not practical on a large scale. I can see it now, people fighting over the limited fry grease resource. :laugh: The fuel cells are another......not enough projected Platinum resources to even cover catalytic converters far into the future.... Now Platinum for fuel cells on a large scale?......... Not.
Time to get a bicycle! It should only take me 6 hours to get to work in the morning. I guess I can get up at midnight, get to work by 7, leave at 4, and get home in time to get 2 hours sleep. ou: :error: ________ Arthur Chevrolet History
Hey Brian, Again, not trying to say that the fry grease is the way to go, but it is a nice recycle bit! Besides, what is a person to do with the 'waste' glycerol other than sell it to a soap maker! (Great cottage industry--Dave's Diesel and Soap Stop). Maybe we will get to the point that we have over populated the planet and used up all of the natural resources and contaminated all of the water supplies and an Ice age will come about, wipe the slate clean! Just call me Sunshine! As for recycling, here is one for all of the golfers (or wannabe greenskeepers). Next time you are at Lowe's or playing a round, look for a white bag with green and orange label saying "Milorganite". Greenskeepers swear by it. It is actually refined sewage sluge from the City of Milwaukee! uzzled:
I can just see it now: The state of California starts a national TV ad campaign touting their sewage sludge as being more refined than Wisconsin's. After all, people in California are happy people, and happy people make better ......... cheese. :laugh: Follow me here, since we cannot create energy, only convert it, then generation of electricity through solar power must "rob" the earth of some warmth. Meanwhile, we supposedly have a problem with global warming. It seems to my small brain that if we balance the amount of solar electricity we create with the effect of greenhouse gases, we will have all the energy we need and avoid melting Greenland. I find it incredibly simple to solve the world's problems while sitting at my computer. :Brow: Any requests?
Yes, hook my cummins up with that fry grease-fill-up program. We'll split my race diesel budget, and both come out ahead. :laugh:
Didn't think you were.......but others have....heck it's now called "cool fuel" and there was/is a kids show to brain wash 'em. It's probibly like in England.....there is soo much cocain use in London they are finding traces in the Thames river from urine..... :laugh:
Maybe the increase of the earth's temperature has been a product of the millions of miles of blacktop that has been poured into our highway system. That started in the 1920's? And greenhouse gases, if we were riding horses and still using buggies, how much methane production would be occuring? But with that we could start shoveling manure again and do away with some of our anhydrous ammonia production! I can see it now, a tour of SW Kansas (the desert portion of the state) and see gas capture bags behind every bovine in every feedlot! Talk about natural gas production.
