Not mine!!!!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971...oryZ6144QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Comments please.
Ask Mark Reeves if this is not one he restored. If it is I recall it is not a numbers matching car and it has no paper work.
Same car...This guy called me last week asking for documentation on the car, there is none. I think he bought this car in January/February from the place in Texas that got it in a trade with the guy I sold it to. It is a real nice car and the guy was very impressed with it. Don't really know why he is wanting to sell it.
Based on what was said so far, is there evidence that it's the real deal or equally likely a GS/GSX clone? As a 71GS owner I know that without paperwork and matching numbers it's really hard to know how what you've got was originally configured. Besides that without paperwork could you ever really prove originality of a GSX one way or the other? Off the top of my head I can't think how.
Mike I could be wrong but this car was a mess and Mark to his credit brought it back. If I recall the dash emblem might have the only GSX indicia.
Hey Jim, sorry I missed Salem this year. Sure would have liked to see you again. I'm expecting kudos too if my 71GS455 4spd Convert ever gets reassembled. Good news about that one is that the drive train numbers match. Otherwise the 71GSs, with all the manufacturing records lost, are a really tough bunch to know what you're dealing with. I'm impressed with the word "indicia". May I suggest that this particular indicia alone is insufficient?
There may have been other things like the paint scheme but you get the point. 71 cars are tough without paperwork. I am pretty sure it was not numbers matching and I think Mark notified the TX dealer that the current owner bought from it was not. Yet the Tx dealer and I think the current owner both say that it is. I looked for you at Salem. The only thing I can Say though Mike it was record heat. We went to the MOPAR Nationals Sat. and it was 100F temp and I guess 110 heat index with no breeze. Just a kill you with the weather day.
Sorry to belabor the point off topic about the NATS, but I had to be in Singapore on Mon and Tues for a Quality Assessment audit. So there was no way I could be in USA at the same time. Flew down to S'pore on Sunday AM Beijing time which for you guys was right in the middle of Saturday night racing. It just didn't work this year. But next year I will do better to demand different dates, as long as the event isn't up in the air like it was this year. And I don't expect it to be. Now, what you said about heat. Yowzer. Hot like that the NATS too? Holy camole. We've had a rather pleasant summer in Beijing this year. More rain than usual and not nearly as hot as it has been in the last five years. More around high 80s vs high 90s which makes a big difference, especially when we get more rain than we usually have had to cool it off at night.
I feel his pain... Several years ago I found what appears to be a 71 GSX that was stripped down pretty good and bought it very cheap. Unfortunately there was no paperwork in the car, but it still has all the indications of being real (low body #, Platinum Mist paint codes, GSX dash emblem, no holes for emblems in front fenders with a GS vin #), but without paperwork I can't justify building it. According to Duane, it was originally a 350 car (serial # of the frame), and the motor is gone so it would be a non-numbers car without documentation. He recommended I hang on to it with the hopes that one day the missing 71 files are found.
Jim, I think you're doing the right thing. My non numbs matching 71GS455 Convert auto is in the same category. It's got the steering column bolt, and a couple other minor things to indicate it was a big block. But it's got 3.08 gears which leads us to believe it was a GS455 vs a Stage 1. But who knows. It sure would be nice if we 71GS owners could trace the VIN like so many of our other fellow GS bretheren in here can do to know for sure.
Some more details from Marks website... :beer http://www.carstorations.com/1971_buick_gsx.htm I dont believe the photos on the ebay listing are going to help sell this car. This car is nicer than the pics say it is.
Question Did you check to see if your vin is on the frame? o No: If it is, then you know for sure it was a 350 car. :Smarty: And what about "maybe the 71 (& 69) missing files will be found. Is someone searching the local dump in Flint??? o No: I can only think of ONE reason why they have never turned up (beside that they went to the trash dump), which is the person(s) who found them have both fake 71 & 69 cars. Now if this was the case, don't you think they would have destroyed them. o No: uzzled: :blast: I guess I just don't understand the "maybe they will turn up" idea. Just like, "maybe I'll hit the lottery", only I don't buy tickets...
No. The motor is not the issue, but rather if it was 1 of the 124 GSX's produced. Without documentation, the car can only be considered a non-numbers matching 71 GS.
Yeah, I know what you mean... But this is how I look at it, since I only owned a 71 GS Buick (not counting the 67 Electra conv I owned for a couple years and only drove once). A GSX in 71 was just another option, like Stage 1, pwr windows or a tilt wheel. What did you really get with the standard GSX option in 71? Stripes, rear spoiler, a few GSX emblems, 3 decals...... You want them, buy them and install. What is wrong with that? o No: So in other words, all you are really interested in what you can profit from it later by either a purchase or restoration. p In the 80's, I had 66 427 Vette. I was told if the Vette had ALL the paperwork, all the correct parts, etc., that 9 out of 10 times it was faked (unless it was the original owner). :Smarty: I heard stories of build sheets duplicated, sprayed with paint, oil, then crumbled. Placed in microwave ovens, and all kid of crap like that until it looked just like an old original. It took 20 years, but I guess that is where we (the Buick guys) are at today. I know a lot of people that would just love to own a non-matching numbers 71 GS, what is wrong with that? o No:
This is a little of subject and I really hope it doesnt offend anyone...remember opinions are like *$%... I've always wondered why the big deal over the GSX. Sure it's rare, but as stated above, really mostly an appearance package. Don't get me wrong, I love them. Just never would have thought an appearance package would bring such a huge premium over its standard brethren. AKA regular GS and Stage 1. o No: Bring on the Mob, I'm prepared for my stoning :grin:
Ohh :laugh: In 70, the GSX was more special because so much came with the pkg of GSX special parts, all or nothing... That said, I love some of the color options for the 71 & 72's that were not available in 70. :TU: Yeah, I was bored today and thought I'd start a little trouble. :laugh: :laugh:
