Every New Car Is a 'Privacy Nightmare'

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Dano, Oct 12, 2023.

  1. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

  2. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    How can a car collect your sexual activity?
     
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  3. BYoung

    BYoung Stage me

    I'm with you, Dano. Some of the new stuff looks cool but if I can't tinker with it, I don't want it.
     
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  4. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    Idk unless you're having sex in the car or watching porn on Android auto, lol.
     
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  5. 73 Stage-1

    73 Stage-1 Dave

    Mostly by way of a smart phone app, if you want connectivity with the car (remote start, door unlock, etc). EVs have way more app functionality like pre-heating or cooling, state of charge checking, etc.

    The apps, like many others, mine your phone for all sorts of things like location tracking (with or without using the map features), website and other phone activity like online shopping or video watching, microphone and camera access…

    I don’t know how it works with Google’s Android based phones - Google’s business model is collecting and selling information - but you can individually limit the access each app has to the rest of your iPhone for what it’s worth. On the other hand, Apple based devices have the ability to interconnect with each other fairly seamlessly… phone, laptop, watch, tablet, etc. so the amount of data to be had is potentially massive.
     
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  6. alvareracing

    alvareracing Platinum Level Contributor

    I feel the same way Dano, the wife and I have decided that she will be the one to have the late model vehicle, so we can travel in. But me, rather drive an old beater I can fix. Her ride is now 7 years old and already got a new motor from a recall. I don't even open the hood on hers, I'll pay to get it serviced. One less crap I have to do! I'm still working everyday and still work in my shop after hours on stuff I know and like. The death of all these new cars is going to be electrical gremlins. "If they don't have it now, it will" sooner or later.
    Fernando
     
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  7. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    When I inherited the bride's minivan, I retired her cell phone which was paired to the van, and have intentionally not paired my cellphone to it. BTW: Remember the Onstar system? They had the capability to listen to conversations in the car. This was 1966.
     
  8. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    I don't doubt there is truth to this, but I also have a hard time believing anything that comes off that type of website.
     
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  9. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

  10. 1973gs

    1973gs Well-Known Member

    It's not just cars. Look at what you have in your house.
     
  11. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    And video it too:p
     
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  12. Brian Albrecht

    Brian Albrecht Classic Reflections

    I have an Infinti, so I went to Nissan directly. It's bad.

    https://www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html

    "Types of Personal Data Inferences drawn from any Personal Data collected to create a profile about a consumer reflecting the consumer’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes"

    Note: the P the D and the I are in caps.

    Note: "a consumer" as in you the individual

    This is beyond Orwellian, and I suspect the reason we were recently turned down for coverage by an insurance company. They indicated this in a letter they sent to the house. The Google and the Nissan gather the big data and create profiles. It was then analyzed for risk alongside our credit rating, banking history, and previous claims by these lunatics

    https://risk.lexisnexis.com/insurance

    and then sold to the Electric Insurance Company who decided to decline coverage.

    The world has yet to even scratch the surface of discrimination. The Amish have it right after all. We are going to be looked at as the worst generation.
     
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  13. 70skylark350

    70skylark350 Jesus loves you unconditionally

    Scary times we live in!
     
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  14. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Yes they are!
    Just because they CAN doesnt mean they SHOULD!
     
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  15. pbr400

    pbr400 68GS400

    Bill Maher had Tristan Harrris on his show this week; he’s worth reading and watching. What he said on Bill’s show is scary-talking about how much faster and steeper the AI learning curve is and where it may lead. And after that I watched ‘Terminator’. So folks, Skynet is here…
    Patrick

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_Harris
     
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  16. Brian Albrecht

    Brian Albrecht Classic Reflections


    Again Nissan

    Types of Personal Data collected. Sensitive personal information, including driver’s license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.
     
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  17. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    I have no smart things inside my house except a Google Mini to play music in the bathroom and an Alexa in the kitchen to get the weather. They don't control anything. I tried it, didn't like it and shut it down. On the outside, I have Ring cameras to watch the house when we are away and to keep tabs on the dog. No cameras in the house, no smart TVs that watch/listen to me. The thermostats are all dumb. The garage door openers are all rolling code but not connected to anything.

    Now, when we are 2 miles down the road and my wife asks, "Did we close the garage door?" I simply tell her to check the ring as all garage doors are visible from one ring or another.

    I worked in networking and software for 30+ years. A person wrote the code. I don't trust anyone to write life-dependent code that you can buy for less than $1,000.
     
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  18. 1973gs

    1973gs Well-Known Member

    Do you have a smart phone? When I walk by mine, it reminds me of the front lights on Kitt in Knight Rider. It lights up purple and yet it won't alert me when I have a text or voice mail.
     
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  19. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    I have an android phone and it is limited in what I allow it to do. It tracks me because I like to have GPS on and keep track of my steps. I don't allow it to share my personal information and most apps blocked from accessing my records. Oddly, I have a Samsung app that absolutely will not run without location, access to contacts, camera and call detail. Guess what? That app was uninstalled. Nothing it can do with a set of ear buds justifies all those permissions.
     
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  20. John Codman

    John Codman Platinum Level Contributor

    I have three cousins who all were involved in writing code. They were very good at it. All made a lot of money - one built a vacation home that most movie stars would be hard-pressed to afford. One of the three was ad a software convention in the Southwest. After a presentation, a half-dozen of the engineers went to partake of some liquid refreshment. The question came up "How many lines of code would you write and would guarantee on the lives of your wife, children, and your own life that the code would work perfectly 100% of the time." The average response was two or three; the lowest was one, and the highest was seven. I'm not into computer code, but I understand that many programs run into thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of lines of code.
     
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