Forever a problem with ST300 (66 Skylark GS)

Discussion in 'The "Juice Box"' started by thood1954, Nov 2, 2022.

  1. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    No. That is different. I should have specified.

    They look like this and mounted in front of the radiator (or got zip tied any number of places in the front...)

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  2. thood1954

    thood1954 Well-Known Member

    Nope. I just have the trans lines that screw into the radiator tank.
     
  3. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    The "switch pitch" creates more heat with the converter, especially in heavy stop and go traffic or a car that sees "spirited driving" with an engine that is putting out more power than stock. So, a good cooler is imperative to have. (You can use both and external and the one in the radiator connected in series)

    Heat and/or low fluid pressure will kill an auto transmission very quickly. The result is clutches fail to apply quickly or maintain apply and slip, burning the plates and glazing the friction discs, and once that occurs, it just becomes exponential in damage. If it is caught early, it is mostly "consumable" (parts in most rebuild kits) that are lost, and if it goes on too long, "hard parts" planet, sun, ring gears, pump gear and housings start failing and those can be expensive as well as hard to find.

    Your transmission guy should see evidence when he drops the pan.

    But if you get a good unit that operates correctly, you will be very happy with it.
     
  4. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

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  5. thood1954

    thood1954 Well-Known Member

    Man, it doesn't even have 4000 miles on it yet.
     
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  6. thood1954

    thood1954 Well-Known Member

    It's in the shop now. He was able to get it up to temp and felt the slip. The plan now is to eliminate the stock cooler in the radiator and install a high quality fan cooled external cooler.
     
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  7. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    After replacing the clutch packs right? They're likely fried, the frictions can't tolerate that kind of slippage.

    Absolutely no reason to leave everything alone and rely on an external cooler at this point, damage has already been done.

    The question is "why"? Buick put thousands of these things on the road without an external cooler. The answer is most likely that something went wrong with your rebuild.

    Devon
     
  8. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm working on it!

    There is nothing wrong with the built in cooler as designed. A more relevant question is Is the trans builder standing behind his work?

    The cooler in the radiator is weak, but adequate for stock configured cars. It's also EXTREMELY unlikely to fail in my experience.

    The person who worked on your transmission failed at their job and should do it over for free. If this is the same person selling you an external cooler, expect more pain.
     
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  9. Super Bald Menace

    Super Bald Menace Frame off oil changes

    Those transmissions lasted well over 100,000 miles with a factory transmission cooler... switch pitch or not.
     
  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    If the converter was in high stall all the time, that would generate more heat.
     
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  11. Super Bald Menace

    Super Bald Menace Frame off oil changes

    The VP converter is not that loose even in high stall mode. It definitely would not get hot enough to ruin a transmission in a few thousand miles. the other thing to keep in mind is the transmission cooler is located on the side of the radiator that has cooled water. So this means it's probably 130° water and not engine temperature water
     
  12. BRUCE ROE

    BRUCE ROE Well-Known Member

    Slip is not cured with a bigger cooler. I would check if the pressure
    (that engages the clutches) is too low, could be a broken spring in
    the pressure regulator. Bruce Roe
     
  13. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Heat and low pressure/volume. (and filth/trash sticking valves/cutting seals)

    Will kill an auto, 2 or all, will do it faster.

    The shop screwed up somewhere.
     
  14. thood1954

    thood1954 Well-Known Member

    The leak was found. It's the front pump seal. Also the pump was making quite abit of noise as if the bearing is dry. I think it is quite possible that the trans will end up getting pulled.
     
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